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QWKSNKE
03-02-2005, 05:58 PM
Due to a discussion I have got into on another forum, when did mustangs start coming with glass curtain (back glass) instead of plastic. Was it 94 or did it start as early as 93?

Wicked
03-02-2005, 06:03 PM
Due to a discussion I have got into on another forum, when did mustangs start coming with glass curtain (back glass) instead of plastic. Was it 94 or did it start as early as 93?

Seems I remember seeing a car in the Honda parking lot with the rear window falling out/down. It was a sn95 car and I thought it was the plastic window. I may be confused though.

QWKSNKE
03-02-2005, 06:07 PM
funny you should mention that. I think I have seen some early sn95's with the plastic window but couldn't remember.

Some dude tried to tell me that he had 2 88 GT vert's that had glass for the rear instead of plastic :slap: I know that wasn't factory back then

95GTMan
03-02-2005, 06:09 PM
funny you should mention that. I think I have seen some early sn95's with the plastic window but couldn't remember.

Some dude tried to tell me that he had 2 88 GT vert's that had glass for the rear instead of plastic :slap: I know that wasn't factory back then

Isn't the back window in Chris's vert glass.

Wicked
03-02-2005, 06:09 PM
Well, if they are 88's, they sure could have used a new top in 17 years.

banditmwp
03-02-2005, 06:12 PM
:wave:

Mine's plastic, and as far as I remember, all the foxes came with plastic from the factory. :yup:

Craig K.
03-02-2005, 06:36 PM
No, most Foxes came with glass.

I have seen many low milage oringianl 1985 and 1986 GT verts with the original back glass, these were all original fully documented never tampered cars.
Also I had a 1991 all original LX 5.0 with the back window as glass, this car was also an all original car.

I am pretty sure that I had seen one that had no rear defroster, but not positive.

I am thinking that if you got a vert with the rear defroster then you got a glass back window. But not positive.

QWKSNKE
03-02-2005, 06:38 PM
Where is the rear defrost switch for a vert fox?

QWKSNKE
03-02-2005, 06:41 PM
Isn't the back window in Chris's vert glass.

:shrug:

maybe. but is it original?

Craig K.
03-02-2005, 06:54 PM
On my '85 it was in the same area as the HVAC controls.

On the 88 to 93 they are to the right of the steering wheel, the lower flapper switch.

Italian LX
03-02-2005, 06:57 PM
:slap:

Lee, you know my '91 came factory with a back glass.

Italian LX
03-02-2005, 06:58 PM
On the 88 to 93 they are to the right of the steering wheel, the lower flapper switch.
Lee was asking about convertibles.

To answer his question, no fox convertibles ever came with rear defroster.

Italian LX
03-02-2005, 06:59 PM
:wave:

Mine's plastic, and as far as I remember, all the foxes came with plastic from the factory. :yup:
I'm thinking yours is plastic because whoever replaced it before you got it was a cheap bastard.

QWKSNKE
03-02-2005, 07:15 PM
No, most Foxes came with glass.

I am thinking that if you got a vert with the rear defroster then you got a lass back window. But not positive.

Brian's right, when you made this statement I was wondering where the switch would be since the power top switch on a vert is where the rear window defrost is on any a hard top car in 87-93.

Interesting to hear that you have owned some Craig because I have never seen a fox vert with an OEM top have glass instead of a vinyl curtain. Hell I can even remember looking at some on our local car lot in the early 90's and none of them had glass

QWKSNKE
03-02-2005, 07:17 PM
by the way...

Somebody needs to start a website on these cars. I can't find shit

banditmwp
03-02-2005, 07:24 PM
I'm thinking yours is plastic because whoever replaced it before you got it was a cheap bastard.
:agree:

One look at the "adjustable fuel pressure regulator" shows that much. :rofl: :rofl:






:tlash:

Italian LX
03-02-2005, 07:25 PM
I have never seen a fox vert with an OEM top have glass instead of a vinyl curtain.
PUT THE CRACK PIPE DOWN!

How many times had you seen my '91 GT??? You've even driven my car many times.... including when you drove it to Decatur to pick up your Cobra! Did you not realize it had a glass window all those times?

Craig K.
03-02-2005, 07:30 PM
Lee was asking about convertibles.

To answer his question, no fox convertibles ever came with rear defroster.

I disagree, I am sure that my '91 had.
I know that I have a couple of older FOX dealer brochures around, I will have to try and dig them out for this.

QWKSNKE
03-02-2005, 07:32 PM
PUT THE CRACK PIPE DOWN!

How many times had you seen my '91 GT??? You've even driven my car many times.... including when you drove it to Decatur to pick up your Cobra! Did you not realize it had a glass window all those times?


Didn't your car come with a vinyl curtain originally?

Italian LX
03-02-2005, 07:35 PM
Didn't your car come with a vinyl curtain originally?
No, it had factory back glass.

Italian LX
03-02-2005, 07:36 PM
I disagree, I am sure that my '91 had.
I know that I have a couple of older FOX dealer brochures around, I will have to try and dig them out for this.
I'm about 99.9% sure that there was never any 87-93 convertibles with rear defroster.

QWKSNKE
03-02-2005, 07:36 PM
:think:

I swear I thought it had a vinyl back window originally

Italian LX
03-02-2005, 07:39 PM
:think:

I swear I thought it had a vinyl back window originally
:shake:

banditmwp
03-02-2005, 07:42 PM
:think:

I swear I thought it had a vinyl back window originally

Yeah, and Joseph swears you're running a catted x-pipe. :D

TheJeanyus
03-02-2005, 07:45 PM
Yeah, and Joseph swears you're running a catted x-pipe. :D
Wait...he's not? :jester:

Craig K.
03-02-2005, 07:59 PM
Well I am looking at a 1993 brochure.
There is one item which it is stated that is not available on the convertible, and that is dual illuminated mirrors.
Under the rear defroster option line, there is no notes of any sort.

Then on also on the equipment page there is a notes for convertible content, all that it says is the "Power retractable top with glass rear window"

I will try to take a digi pic of it and post.

Italian LX
03-02-2005, 08:05 PM
There is one item which it is stated that is not available on the convertible, and that is dual illuminated mirrors.
Under the rear defroster option line, there is no notes of any sort.
That really doesn't prove anything.

Craig K.
03-02-2005, 08:09 PM
The first pic shows that the Dual illuminated mirrors with a (2) and nothing next to the Rear window defroster

The second photo shows that (2)Not available on convertible

The third photo shows that the glass rear window statment

edit - I could be wrong still, however based off of this it sounds like it was possible to order one :shrug:

Sendero
03-02-2005, 08:21 PM
Mustang Unlimited has Rear Glass curtains for Fox 'verts with Defrost?

http://www.mustangsunlimited.com/itemdy01.asp?T1=W165TAN+01&Category=Convertible&subCategory=&CatKey=74-01

5.0 Resto sells them without Defrost.

http://secure.50resto.com/product1.cfm?SID=1&Product_ID=219&Category_ID=86

QWKSNKE
03-02-2005, 08:23 PM
The first pic shows that the Dual illuminated mirrors with a (2) and nothing next to the Rear window defroster

The second photo shows that (2)Not available on convertible

The third photo shows that the glass rear window statment

edit - I could be wrong still, however based off of this it sounds like it was possible to order one :shrug:


If you could get it, where would the switch be. Would Ford go as far to tool up a different harness for it

Italian LX
03-02-2005, 08:42 PM
Mustang Unlimited has Rear Glass curtains for Fox 'verts with Defrost?

http://www.mustangsunlimited.com/itemdy01.asp?T1=W165TAN+01&Category=Convertible&subCategory=&CatKey=74-01

I must be missing something. I don't see where it says "for Fox 'verts with Defrost" :think:

I'm looking in their catalog right now and it only shows 94-04 available with defrost. :P

Craig K.
03-02-2005, 09:19 PM
Well damn-it. I just asked my wife, and she thinks the 1991 did not have a rear defroster. She actually drove the car about 80% of the time so she would know better than I.

Italian LX
03-02-2005, 09:25 PM
Well damn-it. I just asked my wife, and she thinks the 1991 did not have a rear defroster. She actually drove the car about 80% of the time so she would know better than I.
Like Lee mentioned earlier, I seriously doubt Ford would make some one-off custom wiring harness and custom switch location just for convertibles to have a rear defroster.

93Cobra#2771
03-03-2005, 12:03 PM
I'm thinking that defrost wasn't available at all on the vert cars. I went through every sample of a convertable window sticker that I have (86-93, both LX and GT, including 7up and special editions), and couldn't find a one with rear defrost.

But, I'm 100% positive that glass was OEM on them... :D

Sorry, little late showing up on this thread, I was on the other part of the "discussion Lee got into on another forum"... :D

QWKSNKE
03-03-2005, 12:16 PM
:D

EZ SPEED
03-04-2005, 04:58 AM
Getting in on this topic very late......

But, just for the sake of argument. My 94 has a defroster in the glass window. And I know that all the 94 up cars (at least through 98) have the same wiring harness that runs under the console for the vert switch, no mattter if it is coupe or vert :nice:

Italian LX
03-04-2005, 05:17 AM
But, just for the sake of argument. My 94 has a defroster in the glass window. And I know that all the 94 up cars (at least through 98) have the same wiring harness that runs under the console for the vert switch, no mattter if it is coupe or vert :nice:
Yeah, I knew 94+ convertible has a rear defroster option. That's why I specified which years in my above statement.

I'm about 99.9% sure that there was never any 87-93 convertibles with rear defroster.


:P

EZ SPEED
03-04-2005, 05:31 AM
But, just for the sake of argument


It must have worked, you fell for it...:rofl:

banditmwp
03-04-2005, 05:50 AM
It must have worked, you fell for it...:rofl:
:werd:



:rofl: :rofl:

Italian LX
03-04-2005, 06:31 AM
It must have worked, you fell for it...:rofl:
You should already know that everything that is posted on these boards is for the sake of argument. :D

EZ SPEED
03-04-2005, 06:45 AM
You should already know that everything that is posted on these boards is for the sake of argument. :D


Yep...and this is the way it ends up :deadhrse:




:jester:

Italian LX
03-04-2005, 07:06 AM
Yep...and this is the way it ends up :deadhrse:
:yup:

QWKSNKE
03-04-2005, 07:20 AM
:lol:

svopaul
03-04-2005, 07:36 AM
The Fox verts NEVER had rear defrost windows and they were all glass back windows from 83-93 ;)

This is indeed fact :D

coupe
03-04-2005, 07:53 AM
:yup: my '84 vert had glass. Remember cleaning it.