would like to get around 300hp to the wheels

[coreydaniel]

Hi everyone. I would like to get somewhere around 300 or more hp to the wheels of my newest project. My current ride is a ranger, pretty much all stock. Has t3 pushing 20psi, 35#injectors, stock 5.0 throttle body, ranger roller cam, front mount intercooler, and around 43psi fuel pressure. It made 235 to the rear wheels with 12 deg. of timing and 110 race fuel.

Now on to the new project. It is a 93 notchback. Goin gto be similar. Stock botom end and head. Ranger roller cam, 35#injectors, big VAM, front mount intercooler. Bt im going to be using a Holset hx35w, a custom upper and gutted lower intake, and a 75mm throttle body. How much change can i expect from these upgrades? i am planning on doing a maf coversion soon so i can run bigger injectors.

[militarymustang88gt]

not much maybe fifty at the best. it depends on boost pressure.

[coreydaniel]

boost will be the same. But the holset will flow a lot more air and will make the boost more efficiant. For example, the t3 is doing 20 psi now, but i can tell that it has more torque around 15 or so. The power actually slows at around 18psi. The holset is bigger, and designed to flow 20psi all the time, so it should move the ait better and create less heat in the cylinders, or that is what i hope anyway.

[SlowJoe]

i would try to get some bigger injectors in that thing. turn the boost up to about 30 lbs and rock!:metal:

[SvoBrown]

Do 3" exhaust from the turbo back. Good header will help a lot too. Little work to the head on the exhaust side and do a tune. You will want larger injectors when you start tuning. Those few things will get you there. If everything is running well to begin with.
I'm just working of MPG for now.

[coreydaniel]

what size injectors should i try to get? 42#, or bigger. Will the stock short block hold anything past 20psi, ive never been past that point so i dont know.

[SlowJoe]

Do 3" exhaust from the turbo back. Good header will help a lot too. Little work to the head on the exhaust side and do a tune. You will want larger injectors when you start tuning. Those few things will get you there. If everything is running well to begin with.
I'm just working of MPG for now.

i would start with everything in this post. i had the ford 42 lb in mine but i wanted to go with 55lb. i think the stock short block will hold over 20lbs if the tune is right and a good inter cooler.

[QWKSNKE]

I know svobrown ran at least 22psi at one time

[86GTPONY]

i think the stock short block will hold over 20lbs if the tune is right and a good inter cooler.
:yup: With a good tune, good inter-cooler, and good fuel I have heard of these short blocks reliably handling 30psi!

[coreydaniel]

im using the intercooler off of a 88 toyota supra for now. i want to get a bigger one soon though. i may go with the stinger.

[coupe]

The HX35 is pretty big. Go for the biggest injector you can. 50's would be nice...make sure to get the right impedence. A similarly "sized" T3/T4 will usually need 24-25 psi to put nearly 300 to the tires. I've seen the 35# injectors begin to go 13:1 lean at around 290-300 at the tires...definitely dangerous.

[SlowJoe]

The HX35 is pretty big. Go for the biggest injector you can. 50's would be nice...make sure to get the right impedence. A similarly "sized" T3/T4 will usually need 24-25 psi to put nearly 300 to the tires. I've seen the 35# injectors begin to go 13:1 lean at around 290-300 at the tires...definitely dangerous.

its been a while since i fooled with it. but i think the 35#s do max out at 300 hp.i had stinger do my program and used the 42#s out of the 83-84 tbi. i think they were green. but they worked great at 20 psi with 42psi base fuel pressure.
i did not have the inter cooler and band clamps to go any higher. and the vam was set up blow through. car pulled hard to be a full body 87 tbird. it took me about 4000 rpm to spool 20 psi with the hx35. i could get 9 pound at 3200 on the 2 step with the clutch in. if this is going to be a straight shift a blow off valve will be your best friend with this turbo.

[coupe]

:yep: The V8 TBI cars are where you get injectors... they had two 40's up until (I think) the 85 car. It had somewhere around a 52# I believe.
Not sure on color, but they are low-impedence, just like the SVO stockers.

[SlowJoe]

and u have to also get that kit to change the bottom of the injector. where the gas sprays out. i forget what they are called.

[RedSuperRanger23]

do you already have the HX35 or are you looking for one? I have a brand new H1C (pretty much the same turbo) that I am needing to sell on the cheap.

[86GTPONY]

and u have to also get that kit to change the bottom of the injector. where the gas sprays out. i forget what they are called.
Nozzle and pintle cap? :shrug:

[coreydaniel]

i already have the hx35. Somebody looked at it and said it was an h1c though. Supossed to be virtually the same, so im not to worried about it, but it was sold to me as an hx35. How much are you asking for it?
I plan on useing a bypass valve.

[SlowJoe]

the h1c does not have a waste gate where the hx35 does. i think they are the same turbo besides that.

[RedSuperRanger23]

thats right... Some of the HX35 come without the wastegate also. IIRC, they are harder to find though. I like that fact IMHO becuase the wastegates were set so high and from what I have read on the Turbo Ranger boards, they are hard to adjust the boost pressure down.

[SlowJoe]

alot of people just cut the waste gate off and build mounts to put the stock t-3 waste gate on it.

[coreydaniel]

yeah it has a wastegate. And im going to put a spring on the wastegate shaft. That will counter the spring in the diaphram. If that doesnt work ill go with the stock t3 unit. Does anyone know the deminsions of the stinger fmic. They are kinda high priced i think.

[SlowJoe]

here are a few pics of my hx35 and hy35. i like the hy 35 because the outlet faced forward. and it spooled a lot fast. but it took a dump. what kind of manifold you going to use?

[coreydaniel]

im using the stock E6 for now. I would like to find a header and go with an external wastegate.

[SvoBrown]

Build your own IC. It is much more fun.

[SlowJoe]

im using the stock E6 for now. I would like to find a header and go with an external wastegate.

if think you are going to stay with the holset turbo. i would save my money and get with 40bob and have him build you a center mount for that turbo.

[coreydaniel]

i dont know anyone who can weld aluminum, so my own ic is hard to do. I have been looking at the NPR intercoolers. I worked on one at work a few days ago and saw the ic. I was like thats it right there. They are kind of hard to find though

[coreydaniel]

What about the ebay ic's. Has anyone had experiance with them. I know some ebay stuff is horrible, like a lot of the turbos. One of my friends found out the hard way.

[QWKSNKE]

i dont know anyone who can weld aluminum, so my own ic is hard to do. I have been looking at the NPR intercoolers. I worked on one at work a few days ago and saw the ic. I was like thats it right there. They are kind of hard to find though

What about the ebay ic's. Has anyone had experiance with them. I know some ebay stuff is horrible, like a lot of the turbos. One of my friends found out the hard way.

Save the money and do a Stinger. I know its a lot of money but it is designed for the mustang, can support 700 hp and comes complete. It is a very nice piece.
I'll see if I can get the dimensions tomorrow off the one I installed in my car last weekend

[SvoBrown]

Hey Lee, Send me your address so I can find your house next weekend. I want to see the progress. I know of 2 stinger front mounts on svo's and both of them love it.
The kit is a nice way to go if you can afford it. I got lucky on mine and was able to weld it at a friends house. It was under $200 in all.

http://picasaweb.google.com/svobrown/Intercooler#

The red one is Mike Flemings of CA. Nice setup and pushing over 300.I think he has an air duct going to it with a fan setup now. The lower one is mine.

[coreydaniel]

what intercooler is that SVobrown? that isnt the intercooler pictured on stingers website. Or is it not a stinger setup? It looks good whatever it is, very big!!!!!

[QWKSNKE]

the stinger intercooler 'core' is 22x12x3. I think it is 25" if you include the 'end tanks'

[SvoBrown]

Thats what she said!

Made for a 96 cobra by kenny bell. Or that was what I was told. It is a custom piece, Just what I was looking for.

[coreydaniel]

well i got mine running this weekend. It wont idle though, my custom intake has a nasty leak. Im taking it to the guy that made it so he can fix the leaks. But it fired right up on the first crank. I was happy. I wired up my 6AL and my 2step module also.

[RedSuperRanger23]

i already have the hx35. Somebody looked at it and said it was an h1c though. Supossed to be virtually the same, so im not to worried about it, but it was sold to me as an hx35. How much are you asking for it?
I plan on useing a bypass valve.

Id like to get $300 for it. Its brand new and comes with all the gaskets.

[SlowJoe]

Thats what she said!

Made for a 96 cobra by kenny bell. Or that was what I was told. It is a custom piece, Just what I was looking for.

what rpm do u get full boost at? i think the holsets are mostly a drag turbo. if i had it to do over again i would have had the hy35 rebuilt or got a t3-t4. because my car was a dog until the mid rpms. there are some tricks u can do with timing and stuff to get it to spool faster. i tried 4-5 different things to get the hx to spool faster. i started to see boost at 2500 up. that was the only real change i ever seen is where it started. but full boost always stayed around 4000 rpms. IMO u should sale the holsets and get a t3-t4 built for your car. and they are a lot lighter than the holsets.lol that is one heavy turbo. it killed my stinger header in about 2000 miles and i had braces.if u do use the holset on the stock e6 make sure u put the brace on it. or it will be cracked for u know it.

[QWKSNKE]

Thats what she said!

Made for a 96 cobra by kenny bell. Or that was what I was told. It is a custom piece, Just what I was looking for.

I thought all of the Kenne Bell inetrcoolers were air to liquid.

[RedSuperRanger23]

what rpm do u get full boost at? i think the holsets are mostly a drag turbo. if i had it to do over again i would have had the hy35 rebuilt or got a t3-t4. because my car was a dog until the mid rpms. there are some tricks u can do with timing and stuff to get it to spool faster. i tried 4-5 different things to get the hx to spool faster. i started to see boost at 2500 up. that was the only real change i ever seen is where it started. but full boost always stayed around 4000 rpms. IMO u should sale the holsets and get a t3-t4 built for your car. and they are a lot lighter than the holsets.lol that is one heavy turbo. it killed my stinger header in about 2000 miles and i had braces.if u do use the holset on the stock e6 make sure u put the brace on it. or it will be cracked for u know it.

there was a guy whose screen name was B2Turbo on RangerPowerSports and he had built a header that paired I want to say cylinders 1 and 4, 2 and 3, and he said that it allowed the holset to spool faster. Id have to re-read it, but I think thats right. I wouldnt mind using something like a GT3071 or maybe something a little bigger. When I bought the Holset, I didnt have a lot of money for a turbo setup. Needless to say I never even bothered mocking it up.

[SvoBrown]

The tuned header with a duel scroll exhaust can work off of the pulse. Way to much science for me to get into that.

On the IC. Ebay and what the seller said. At $75 I did not whine about where he got it. It's the only one I have seen like it.

I get full boost at 3100 at 24 psi. Ranger cam helps out on that. It loses steam at 5500. Had another cam for a while and it was 3500 and a piggy in the lower rpms. At 6000 it was a mad man.

[SlowJoe]

i (heard) boost creep was hard to control with the holset turbo and that header. when i done the the t-3 waste gate i had that problem. but the external waste gate solved that, and it would hard to run a exteral waste gate with that style header.

[coreydaniel]

I dont have a whole lot of money in the car. And id like to keep it that way. I have two friends with SRT-4's. They both have ball bearing T3-T4's and tuners and all the high dollar stuff. Like 20,000 plus in the both of them. I dont want that. So far ive got a little over 2,000 dollars in my car and i am hopping i can kick both there you know whats of the street. My truck runs as good as both of them, but since it is a truck it has a major traction issue. ive got all the suspesion for this car to hook hard, so i hope it does.

[SlowJoe]

I dont have a whole lot of money in the car. And id like to keep it that way. I have two friends with SRT-4's. They both have ball bearing T3-T4's and tuners and all the high dollar stuff. Like 20,000 plus in the both of them. I dont want that. So far ive got a little over 2,000 dollars in my car and i am hopping i can kick both there you know whats of the street. My truck runs as good as both of them, but since it is a truck it has a major traction issue. ive got all the suspesion for this car to hook hard, so i hope it does.

i would port the waste gate hole some.

[RedSuperRanger23]

I know everyone talks about the Ranger Roller cam, but its just a factory (cheap) upgrade. I have always wanted to try out the Ford (Racing) Motorsport A-237 cam. I know there are some others out there that people like Esslinger make but I cant remember the numbers off the top of my head. I know you are trying to stay within a budget, but if you put a little extra money in where it counts, then it will be all the better. I remember an article in Hot Rod or MM&FF or Super Ford (Im going to have to check my archives) that was just what you need... 300hp 2.3 I'll try to find it, but Im not making any promises.

[coreydaniel]

i wasnt even aware that ford made a performance camshaft for the 2.3. If i get a different cam i will probobly go with that one.

[RedSuperRanger23]

some people like it and some dont. More over on RangerPowerSports talk about the Essy (Esslinger) camshaft. There are some pretty knowlegeable people over there as well as here.

[SvoBrown]

Bo-port. This is the last guy you need to talk to.
You can find some of his stuff on youtube under boport

http://www.bo-port.com/03-parts.html

My budget won't let me buy right now but if I could!!!!

[QWKSNKE]

Bo-port. This is the last guy you need to talk to.
You can find some of his stuff on youtube under boport

http://www.bo-port.com/03-parts.html

My budget won't let me buy right now but if I could!!!!

+1!!!!!

I wouldn't do the FRPP cam

[SlowJoe]

Bo-port. This is the last guy you need to talk to.
You can find some of his stuff on youtube under boport

http://www.bo-port.com/03-parts.html

My budget won't let me buy right now but if I could!!!!

i have done some dealings with boport and he is a great guy and knows his 2.3s!

[RedSuperRanger23]

I forgot all about Bo-Port...

[SvoBrown]

Reread my post on boport. I meant for that to be positive!! He has done a lot on 2.3T and knows his stuff. I may look at one of his cams later next year. I am happy with everything else on my car for now. Very!

[coupe]

Try these guys for Ford turbo 2.3 stuff.
http://racerwalsh.zoovy.com/category/.4cylinder/ (http://racerwalsh.zoovy.com/category/.4cylinder/)

And check out some of these cams:
http://racerwalsh.zoovy.com/c=tXWfpHNtzAvtrWjJllhHeLIOY/category/4cylinder.camsfollowers/ (http://racerwalsh.zoovy.com/c=tXWfpHNtzAvtrWjJllhHeLIOY/category/4cylinder.camsfollowers/)

[SvoBrown]

http://cheaphp.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=33_35

I got some of racerwalsh on my car also. I also have a few parts from this group. They did sale on ebay for a while. Got my stuff very cheap when they first got started. It's in a drawer in the shop now. Use it one day, maybe.

[coreydaniel]

well i got an intercooler. Not anything huge but it is a good name brand. Its a spearco off of my friends 240sx. He is going a different route and selling of all his turbo parts. It measure 27x8x3. His car ran very well with it so i know its a good one. Plus it was dirt cheap for what it is.

[SvoBrown]

post a pic! There are many places to mount one on a mustang so go at it. Ebay is still a good source for piping. Buy good clamps and 3 or 4 ply hose connectors.
Later you can have some one weld up the tubing. 2.5 is big enough.
Most of the time the IC is just a heat sink but the more air you can get on it the better.
I have 2.25 off the turbo and then 3" off the IC to the Tb. Very little lag, Thanks to Coupe!!
Also helped on the install.

[coreydaniel]

Yeah ill do tall the welding myself. i have a very nice lincoln mig. And i have access to a tig if i need it. The IC inlet and outlets are 2.5 so ill probobly use 2.5 all the way around.

[coreydaniel]

Check it out. Got my IC mounted up. Here are some pics.
http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd258/babybuggyboo_2007/Car%20pics/100_1413.jpg
http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd258/babybuggyboo_2007/Car%20pics/100_1414.jpg
http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd258/babybuggyboo_2007/Car%20pics/100_1415.jpg
http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd258/babybuggyboo_2007/Car%20pics/100_1416.jpg
http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd258/babybuggyboo_2007/Car%20pics/100_1419.jpg

[SvoBrown]

Dude. Now you really chap my ass. That is a nice one. Very good job!!

[coreydaniel]

Thanks. I think it will work great. I looked up the specs for it on their website. It is supposed to support over 400hp at the crank. So i think im good on that for now,lol. Im going to have to trim the bottom out of the bumper, but sacrifises must be made i guess.