Sn95 Pbr Caliper Swap

[joker]

I am still on the fence as to if this is actually a good idea or not, being that you are removing metal from the spindles, but I figured it would be good tech info for anyones that wants to do the swap.

http://www.allfordmustangs.com/Detailed/2009.shtml

[96GTS]

We dont drive space ships. Do you realize how LITTLE material you need to take off? Do it. I spent $50 for my 2000 calipers. worth every penny.

[joker]

We dont drive space ships. Do you realize how LITTLE material you need to take off? Do it. I spent $50 for my 2000 calipers. worth every penny.
Where did you get your calipers and mounting brackets from?

[Italian LX]

We dont drive space ships. Do you realize how LITTLE material you need to take off? Do it. I spent $50 for my 2000 calipers. worth every penny.
Yeah, I've heard that it's very little material that needs to be removed, but since I didn't know through personal experience, I wasn't going to say anything.

[96GTS]

Where did you get your calipers and mounting brackets from?
A friend of mine went to Cobra brakes.

[bill302]

pbr brakes i purchased for $50,the upgrade is wellworth it.

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e382/bill302/pbrbrakedoublepistonupgrade.jpg

pbr brakes installed with drilled and slotted rotors look good and i have alot better stopping power i used wagner thermoquiet pads.

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e382/bill302/pbrbrakecaliper7-7-06001.jpg

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e382/bill302/pbrbrakecaliper7-7-06002.jpg

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e382/bill302/pbrbrakecaliper7-7-06003.jpg

before install

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e382/bill302/2-1-0617.jpg

after install

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e382/bill302/7-15-06005-1.jpg

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e382/bill302/pbrbrakeupgradepics-2.jpg

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e382/bill302/pbrbrakeupgradepics-3.jpg

this site http://sn95brakes.com/sn95brakes.php
will help you with the install its very simple....you can contact me for more info on this swap. basically you just remove the old calipers and grind about 5mm off each "ear" of the caliper mounting bolt hole which took me about 10 minutes to do both with a hand grinder, the link above will give you exact grinding locations (pics.). and i had to purchase 2 banjo bolts 95 models and down have the coarse threads the 96 models and up pbr brakes have the fine threads. i purchased fine thread the banjo bolts at the dealer for $12. usually when you buy a set of pbr's the seller keeps the original banjo bolts for his upgrade application. you can use the stock rubber brake lines but the passenger side will have to have the boss that the banjo bolt attaches thru ground on one end about 1/8th of an inch will need to be removed to fit into recessed area simple to do took 3 mins. then i sold my old calipers on e-bay for $30... total cost $50 for pbr's,$12 for banjo bolts,$17 for caliper paint,new pads $45,had fluid on hand i took this opportunity to flush the entire system.minus $30 for selling old calipers = $94 well worth it where else can you get double caliper pistons for that price....and if you wan't to rebuild them before application i believe you can get a rebuild kit for less than $10. http://sn95brakes.com/sn95brakes.php

and also the people at maximum motorsports http://www.maximummotorsports.com/ are very knowledgable on this subject. they can tell you everything you need for just about any brake application and sell you the parts you need. they helped me alot during this application with accurate information.

[Sendero]

I put PBR calipers on my 89GT. The amount of material that needs to be removed can be done with a dremel. As long as you don't use a plasma torch to remove the metal, you won't critically weaken the spindles. I'll post up pictures of my swap when I get home.

[EZ SPEED]

If you saw how much material I had to remove from my rear calipers to run 15" Bogart wheels for Slicks .. . . you wouldnt even worry about that little bit of metal removal :jester:

[natedawgg94]

k i'm curious on this now but i can't check out the link here at work. what's the deal here are these pbr's off mustang gt's or cobra's? reason i'm asking is i've seen some on ebay that supposely came off a mach 1 guessing these are not the same? can anyone give me the quick version on here?

[rtusnake]

They come off the newer 99 up gt. Pretty sure the mach one has cobra brakes as well.

[natedawgg94]

cool thanks

[tacbear]

I'm fix'in to sell my Bullits, if anyone is interested (gettin' Brembo 4 piston brakes).

[QWKSNKE]

They come off the newer 99 up gt. Pretty sure the mach one has cobra brakes as well.

yep. Mach 1's, Bullitts, and all 94 up cobras have the same 13" brake setup on the Front.

Brian and I both run a Baer 13" (4-lug) that is the same as the above mentioned cars on our foxes. Going to a 13" brake setup is worth whatever you spend on it in my opinion. Only reason to do the Baer kit is if you had a fox and wanted to retain 4-lug

[QWKSNKE]

I'm fix'in to sell my Bullits, if anyone is interested (gettin' Brembo 4 piston brakes).

I hear ya big money :eric:


:D

Are you doing the Shelby conversion?

Hey wait a minute, when did you get rid of the R's?

[tacbear]

I hear ya big money :eric:


:D

Are you doing the Shelby conversion?

Hey wait a minute, when did you get rid of the R's?

I haven't got rid of anything, I am getting Cobra R brakes.

[Sendero]

I'm fix'in to sell my Bullits, if anyone is interested (gettin' Brembo 4 piston brakes).


Whit, if those are true Brembo Cobra R 4-pot calipers you should know that those cannot be rebuilt; when you have a caliper go bad you have to completely replace the set. Also, the Brembo is a fixed caliper that limits your selection of pads and rotors to a small cross-section of expensive ones. When I have to make a brake upgrade I'm going with the Stoptech ST-40 4-piston Kit (http://www.stoptech.com/). It's a little more expensive initially, but it comes with a two piece fully floating rotor and EXCELLENT customer service.


k i'm curious on this now but i can't check out the link here at work. what's the deal here are these pbr's off mustang gt's or cobra's? reason i'm asking is i've seen some on ebay that supposely came off a mach 1 guessing these are not the same? can anyone give me the quick version on here?

99+ GT's = Two Piston PBR's with a Silver Finish
96-04 Cobra's = Two Piston PBR's with a Black Finish and Cobra machined on the Caliper Body
Bullitt Mustangs = Two Piston PBR's with a Red Finish and a Pony machined on the Caliper Body

All the PBR's will fit on either the 11" or 13" rotors, the only difference between the setups is the caliper bracket that bolts to the spindle.

Here is the site that is considered the authority for 5-lug brake upgrades: http://sn95brakes.cjb.net/ (Warning: Pop-ups) There's info on there how to modify the spindles correctly.

Here is the only picture I have of my modified SN-95 spindles. The red boxes indicate the area's being ground.

[tacbear]

Whit, if those are true Brembo Cobra R 4-pot calipers you should know that those cannot be rebuilt; when you have a caliper go bad you have to completely replace the set. Also, the Brembo is a fixed caliper that limits your selection of pads and rotors to a small cross-section of expensive ones. When I have to make a brake upgrade I'm going with the Stoptech ST-40 4-piston Kit. It's a little more expensive initially, but it comes with a two piece fully floating rotor and EXCELLENT customer service.

You are right about them being expensive! I can get Brembo's for $729.00 (calipers, rotors and pads)

[QWKSNKE]

I haven't got rid of anything, I am getting Cobra R brakes.

oh. You mentioned something about bullitts, so I thought maybe you were running bullitts now

[Sendero]

oh. You mentioned something about bullitts, so I thought maybe you were running bullitts now

"Bullitt" calipers. :slap: :jester:

[96GTS]

99+ GT's = Two Piston PBR's with a Silver Finish
99+ V6s have the same calipers as well

[rtusnake]

99+ V6s have the same calipers as well

So they are pbr calipers to? I thought they was still a single caliper. I know where I can get some for free then:banana:

[96GTS]

So they are pbr calipers to? I thought they was still a single caliper. I know where I can get some for free then:banana:
Yup, as long as its a 99+

[tacbear]

oh. You mentioned something about bullitts, so I thought maybe you were running bullitts now

I have had Bullit front brakes on my car for years.

[tacbear]

99+ V6s have the same calipers as well

I am pretty sure that 99+ V6's have single piston calipers.

[ncontt]

I am pretty sure that 99+ V6's have single piston calipers.

no, V6 and GT are the same ....
part number at autozone is:

driver side: C466
pass side: C467

[bill302]

no, V6 and GT are the same ....
part number at autozone is:

driver side: C466
pass side: C467

correct 99-04 v8 and v6s have the pbr double piston calipers i should have posted this in my writeup earlier but the website i listed tell about everything you need to know...http://sn95brakes.com/sn95brakes.php

[96GTS]

99+ V6s have the same calipers as wellI am pretty sure that 99+ V6's have single piston calipers.
no, V6 and GT are the same ....
:bowdown:

[natedawgg94]

picked up a set off ebay for 40 bucks now disassembling for powdercoating.

[cobradragger]

I've got a tech ?

Whit, if those are true Brembo Cobra R 4-pot calipers you should know that those cannot be rebuilt; when you have a caliper go bad you have to completely replace the set. Also, the Brembo is a fixed caliper that limits your selection of pads and rotors to a small cross-section of expensive ones. When I have to make a brake upgrade I'm going with the Stoptech ST-40 4-piston Kit (http://www.stoptech.com/). It's a little more expensive initially, but it comes with a two piece fully floating rotor and EXCELLENT customer service.




99+ GT's = Two Piston PBR's with a Silver Finish
96-04 Cobra's = Two Piston PBR's with a Black Finish and Cobra machined on the Caliper Body
Bullitt Mustangs = Two Piston PBR's with a Red Finish and a Pony machined on the Caliper Body

All the PBR's will fit on either the 11" or 13" rotors, the only difference between the setups is the caliper bracket that bolts to the spindle.

Here is the site that is considered the authority for 5-lug brake upgrades: http://sn95brakes.cjb.net/ (Warning: Pop-ups) There's info on there how to modify the spindles correctly.

Here is the only picture I have of my modified SN-95 spindles. The red boxes indicate the area's being ground.



I've got 95 cobra calipers if I use 95 gt brackets can I use them with 95 gt 10" rotors? I want to be able to run 16" wheels. With my 13" rotors I have to run 17" wheels.

[Sendero]

I've got 95 cobra calipers if I use 95 gt brackets can I use them with 95 gt 10" rotors? I want to be able to run 16" wheels. With my 13" rotors I have to run 17" wheels.

Which 16" wheels? I think it will work, but you'll probably end up grinding the fins off of the Cobra caliper to make it fit. Here's a shot of the fins I speak of:

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e382/bill302/pbrbrakecaliper7-7-06002.jpg

I think you might be safer with a set of 99+ PBR "GT/V6" Calipers, but the good thing about Ford brakes is they are easy to change. The worst that could happen is you loose 45 minutes of your time trying out the 95GT bracket and 95 Cobra caliper before putting it back to stock.

[natedawgg94]

just a heads up the banjo bolts are now 21.79 a piece called bout some yesterday they jumped from 8.99 to 21.79. so keep that in mind if you planning this swap.