New Project for the Coupe [Archive]

Italian LX

01-29-2005, 09:59 AM

Lee and I went to pick up my next project for the coupe last night.... 351w :banana:

It obviously needs to cleaned up and also get rid of that damn 2bbl intake. First on the list is to completely tear it down and put all new bearings rings, seals, gaskets, and a timing chain in it.

My short term goal is to convert it to fuel injection and put it in the coupe as it sits (stock heads and cam). This way, I can get a dyno baseline and also drive it around as a 351 while I save enough money for the second stage of the swap which will consist of replacing all the internals and opt up to a 427 stroker.

Long term goal is to eventually have a 7.0L TT. :evil:

http://www.deepstageperformance.com/pics/351-01.jpg

http://www.deepstageperformance.com/pics/351-02.jpg

http://www.deepstageperformance.com/pics/351-03.jpg

http://www.deepstageperformance.com/pics/351-04.jpg

slvrbullit

01-29-2005, 10:04 AM

What intake you going with?

Italian LX

01-29-2005, 10:08 AM

What intake you going with?
TFS 5.8 "R-series" :nice:

http://www.mustang-unl.com/itemdy00.asp?T1=TFS5154+01

Sendero

01-29-2005, 10:20 AM

Thats obviously not a "roller-block" 351?

QWKSNKE

01-29-2005, 10:23 AM

they never made a roller 351

Italian LX

01-29-2005, 10:32 AM

Thats obviously not a "roller-block" 351?
:slap:

Sendero

01-29-2005, 10:41 AM

they never made a roller 351

??? I thought they did in the F-350 vans? Oh, well thats what I get for listening to the "Decatur Racers"

Craig K.

01-29-2005, 10:55 AM

What year is it, whats it from?

are you going to leave those heads on it, or will the ones on the coupe work?

EZ SPEED

01-29-2005, 10:56 AM

they never made a roller 351

Nope...but it hads the provisions for a roller setup...so its called a "roller block" ;)

Sendero

01-29-2005, 10:59 AM

Nope...but it hads the provisions for a roller setup...so its called a "roller block" ;)

Ahh, Eric beat me to it. I was trying to pull this info up. I was thinking you could use a roller cam in these blocks as long as you tapped the galley for the spyder.

Italian LX

01-29-2005, 11:07 AM

What year is it, whats it from?

are you going to leave those heads on it, or will the ones on the coupe work?
It's from a '74 Torino. The haeds I have now are Lee's GT40 irons; they won't work unless I drill them for 1/2" bolts. Right now, I'm just going to see what the stock heads do and then get some AFR's down the road.

slvrbullit

01-29-2005, 11:30 AM

I will be ordering this one....click me (http://www.mustang-unl.com/itemdy00.asp?T1=EDL3884+01) .

Brian I have a friend that can do the drilling of the heads for a good price if ya want to keep the GT-40s. Just let me know and I will get a price for ya.

The Rock 326

01-29-2005, 11:36 AM

That's gonna be sweet Brian. :metal:

Italian LX

01-29-2005, 11:43 AM

Brian I have a friend that can do the drilling of the heads for a good price if ya want to keep the GT-40s. Just let me know and I will get a price for ya.
Thanks for the offer, but these are Lee's heads that I'm borrowing and I won't be modifying them in any way. Basides, I want to get a baseline of the orginal motor (with exception of the intake, of course ;)).

Wicked

01-29-2005, 11:44 AM

It's from a '74 Torino. The haeds I have now are Lee's GT40 irons; they won't work unless I drill them for 1/2" bolts. Right now, I'm just going to see what the stock heads do and then get some AFR's down the road.

I am also considering a 351W for my project when I finally get a car. A buddy of mine has a 351 he said I could have/buy.
Right now I'm just looking at the options to see what I would be able to afford. Even a mild 351 would be sick in a coupe.

hey, what would it take to convert your old Z to a 5.0? Is it for sell? :jester:

Italian LX

01-29-2005, 11:52 AM

hey, what would it take to convert your old Z to a 5.0? Is it for sell? :jester:
I know they make conversion kits for a 350 in the Z cars; I'm sure they have them for 5.0L as well. However, the Z is not for sale. Besides, there is so much rust damage to it, that it would take a great deal of time and money just to get it to street-worthy.

Sendero

01-29-2005, 11:53 AM

TT? You shooting for 1000hp? Dayum! :metal:

Italian LX

01-29-2005, 11:55 AM

Well, as I expected, the internals look like crap so far. Although, it doesn't matter anyway since I had already planned to tear it all the way down and put a good cleaning on it.

http://www.deepstageperformance.com/pics/351-05.jpg

http://www.deepstageperformance.com/pics/351-06.jpg

http://www.deepstageperformance.com/pics/351-07.jpg

Wicked

01-29-2005, 11:56 AM

I know they make conversion kits for a 350 in the Z cars; I'm sure they have them for 5.0L as well. However, the Z is not for sale. Besides, there is so much rust damage to it, that it would take a great deal of time and money just to get it to street-worthy.

:werd: Thanks.

I'm with Nathan, just a 427 would be plenty of power enough. What power level you planning?

Italian LX

01-29-2005, 11:57 AM

TT? You shooting for 1000hp? Dayum! :metal:
I'm gonna twist the shit outta da coupe. :D

Wicked

01-29-2005, 11:57 AM

Nope...but it hads the provisions for a roller setup...so its called a "roller block" ;)

But that's only if you use a small base circle "retrofit" cam, correct?

tacbear

01-29-2005, 12:09 PM

Wicked

01-29-2005, 12:13 PM

Hey they used Quaker State!

:werd: I've always heard bad thing about QS.

Brian, you still gonna come over this week? I need to talk about the 4 cyl to V8 conversion and see if its feasible for me. Maybe we can talk a little tonight. :drool:

94five0

01-29-2005, 12:15 PM

:lookatme: has a whole new meaning.. that thing is gonna scream..:nice:

Italian LX

01-29-2005, 12:15 PM

Brian, you still gonna come over this week? I need to talk about the 4 cyl to V8 conversion and see if its feasible for me. Maybe we can talk a little tonight. :drool:
Yeah, I plan on coming by after work Monday, but we can tonight some too. :nice:

NightHawk756

01-29-2005, 01:19 PM

Looks like they used Qwacker State to me!! :nono:

svopaul

01-29-2005, 02:39 PM

Hey Brian, I have a BRAND NEW pair of 351W heads for pedastal mount rockers here I'll make you a deal on ;). That way you don't have to worry about pulling one of those studs(and you will ;)) or redo them and add screw in studs...

But if you want to do that I also have a pair of '69 351W heads which is what the GT40's were patterned from.

QWKSNKE

01-30-2005, 07:58 AM

Damn the internals are nasty. Bet the oil wasn't changed very often.

96GTS

01-30-2005, 05:34 PM

At least everything is OEM..........including the oil :jester:

Thats gonna be sweet dude :chug: :burnout:

Italian LX

01-30-2005, 08:49 PM

At least everything is OEM..........including the oil :jester:
:lol:
I believe the timing chain is OEM too.

Check out the gap between the chain and the crank sproket:

http://www.deepstageperformance.com/pics/351-08.jpg

Lee's timing chain stretch has nothing on this one. . .

http://www.deepstageperformance.com/pics/351-09.jpg

http://www.deepstageperformance.com/pics/351-10.jpg

Italian LX

01-30-2005, 08:50 PM

Ready for the machine shop. . . :banana:

http://www.deepstageperformance.com/pics/351-11.jpg

96GTS

01-30-2005, 08:57 PM

:lol:
I believe the timing chain is OEM too.

Check out the gap between the chain and the crank sproket:
Thats the reason for the 'thick' oil.... :jester:

Pushpuds dont have the tight clearances like the superior mod motors :popcorn:

Italian LX

01-30-2005, 09:04 PM

Pushpuds dont have the tight clearances like the superior mod motors :popcorn:
From what I hear, the mod motors have pretty shitty factory tolerances too. I'm sure there will be 30 year old mod motors that look just as shitty as this one. :P

ChipR4cam

01-31-2005, 12:18 PM

Good lord that thing is nasty!!

I'm glad you went with a 351 though.

Craig K.

01-31-2005, 12:22 PM

30 minutes in the hot tank and it will look just like new!

Italian LX

02-04-2005, 11:43 PM

Decided to see if I could clean up the block a little tonight. Here's a couple of pics of the results:

BEFORE:
http://www.deepstageperformance.com/pics/351-12.jpg

AFTER:
http://www.deepstageperformance.com/pics/351-13.jpg

BEFORE:
http://www.deepstageperformance.com/pics/351-14.jpg

AFTER:
http://www.deepstageperformance.com/pics/351-15.jpg

QWKSNKE

02-05-2005, 08:10 AM

damn

hevymtl

02-05-2005, 10:55 AM

damn

Double damn!!

96GTS

02-05-2005, 01:10 PM

Did you use some sort of degreaser or like 49 bottle of brake cleaner? Looks really good!

Italian LX

02-05-2005, 03:14 PM

Did you use some sort of degreaser or like 49 bottle of brake cleaner? Looks really good!
Easy-Off oven cleaner works wonders on engine blocks. :nice:

NightHawk756

02-05-2005, 05:08 PM

Easy-Off oven cleaner works wonders on engine blocks. :nice:Yeah, and your skin if your not careful! I know from experience!! :nono:

NightHawk756

02-05-2005, 05:12 PM

Good job on the cleaning Brian!! The machine shop dude doesn't know just how much worse it could've been!! :jester:

Italian LX

02-05-2005, 07:19 PM

Good job on the cleaning Brian!! The machine shop dude doesn't know just how much worse it could've been!! :jester:
Yeah, I'm actually still thinking about slapping it back together as a 351 with some new rings and bearings... so the machine shop may not even see it for a little while. ;)

slvrbullit

02-05-2005, 11:31 PM

Yeah, I'm actually still thinking about slapping it back together as a 351 with some new rings and bearings... so the machine shop may not even see it for a little while. ;)

Go ahead and send it to the machine shop to atleast have it honed and check the cylinders for trueness, I did the re-ring and bearing on the motor I have in the car right now and unfortunately it did not work as I wanted it to. I thought it was gonna be a good idea with the motor only having under 20k miles on it.

Italian LX

02-07-2005, 05:35 AM

Go ahead and send it to the machine shop to atleast have it honed and check the cylinders for trueness, I did the re-ring and bearing on the motor I have in the car right now and unfortunately it did not work as I wanted it to. I thought it was gonna be a good idea with the motor only having under 20k miles on it.
Yeah, I decided yesterday just to go forth with the stroker motor and not even bother with assembling it back as a 351. It would just be added work of having to pull the motor again, and I would likely end up with less power than I have right now.

Decisions, decisions. . . :doh:

93Cobra#2771

02-10-2005, 12:38 PM

Build it, and they will come...

:D

Italian LX

02-10-2005, 10:01 PM

:bling:

http://www.deepstageperformance.com/pics/romac-01.jpg

http://www.deepstageperformance.com/pics/romac-02.jpg

http://www.deepstageperformance.com/pics/romac-03.jpg

Scothew

02-11-2005, 12:02 AM

purty :metal:

EZ SPEED

02-11-2005, 03:18 AM

Now thats BLING :bling: :metal: :metal: :metal:

QWKSNKE

02-11-2005, 05:54 AM

pfft...that ain't nothing.

:D

Italian LX

03-09-2005, 03:54 PM

;)

http://www.deepstageperformance.com/pics/tw-01.jpg

http://www.deepstageperformance.com/pics/tw-02.jpg

http://www.deepstageperformance.com/pics/tw-03.jpg

http://www.deepstageperformance.com/pics/tw-04.jpg

Sendero

03-09-2005, 04:00 PM

Wonder how bad you stomp 03 Cobra's and LS1 Z/TA's with this thing! :jester:

Wicked

03-09-2005, 04:01 PM

Nice ports! :nice:

svopaul

03-09-2005, 04:15 PM

Make sure you clearcoat that Romac balancer ;).

Scothew

03-09-2005, 04:31 PM

What heads are those Brian? Im curious since I am not familiar with looking at pushrod heads and knowing what they are or whats done to them. They look like they'd move alot of air though :nice:

Italian LX

03-09-2005, 04:34 PM

What heads are those Brian? Trickflow Twisted Wedge w/ Stage II porting. :evil:

They look like they'd move alot of air though :nice:
That's what I'm hoping. :D

Scothew

03-09-2005, 04:36 PM

Trickflow Twisted Wedge w/ Stage II porting. :evil:

That's what I'm hoping. :D

:drool: I dont think thats going to be a problem :nice:

99LS1

03-09-2005, 04:44 PM

Wonder how bad you stomp 03 Cobra's and LS1 Z/TA's with this thing! :jester:

probably not too well, since the motor isn't in the car yet :D

NightHawk756

03-09-2005, 05:09 PM

Make sure you clearcoat that Romac balancer ;).:werd:

banditmwp

03-09-2005, 05:15 PM

:drool:

TheJeanyus

03-09-2005, 07:33 PM

probably not too well, since the motor isn't in the car yet :D
:werd: A set of heads sitting in the car port won't help his ETs too much. :jester:

Italian LX

03-09-2005, 07:42 PM

:werd: A set of heads sitting in the car port won't help his ETs too much. :jester:
I reassembled them last night and will pick up the gaskets tomorrow. The pushrods should be in this week too. :hmm:

TheJeanyus

03-09-2005, 07:48 PM

I reassembled them last night and will pick up the gaskets tomorrow. The pushrods should be in this week too. :hmm:
Still planning to put them on the 302 for a while?