Combo

[joker]

So guys, I think this is the combo I want to go with, you guys think it will work well?

Cam Link (http://www.cranecams.com/?show=browseParts&lvl=2&prt=5&Vehicle_Type=Auto&Cylinders=8&Engine_Make=FORD-MERCURY&Year=1993&Engine_Size=302%20C.I.&partNumber=444231&partType=camshaft)
Cobra 1.7 rockers
Afr 165's with 61cc combustion chamber
Trick Flow street heat intake
70mm tb
76 mm maf
24 or 30 lb injectors
Walbro 255 pump

[qkjuicedpony]

i would use a lunati 51014 cam...or the F cam
24 lb injectors
AFPR


and the rest will work just fine

[joker]

i would use a lunati 51014 cam...or the F cam
24 lb injectors
AFPR


and the rest will work just fine

I already have the cam though, you think it will be ok? what is "wrong" about it that you would choose a different one?

[joker]

Also, would 24's support the combo spraying say a 150 shot, or mildly blown?

[joker]

It looks to me that the lunati cam you posted is basically the same as the one I posted, except the lunati appears to have a little more lift and duration on the exhaust side. Would more duration and lift on the exhaust be better for a blower/nitrous application?

[qkjuicedpony]

the 51014 works great for blower/nitrous cars and 24 lb injectors will be fine on your car with a wet kit

[slvrbullit]

Joker, Do you want your car to make more power N/A or be bottle strong? This the main question Comp Cams asked me when I was researching a cam for my current combo, that is why it has lifts of .544intake/.566exhaust. Dot remember the exact numbers but it is gind numer 35-302-8 if you go to their site and look it up.

Here is my previous combination on a dry 100 shot:
Stock heads p&p
typhoon intake
F cam
19#ers
75mm tb and MAF
MAC Exhaust

This resulted in 322 rwhp and 460 rwtq

on the motor this made 260 rwhp and 290rwtq

just throwing some ideas with figures at ya for reference.

[joker]

Joker, Do you want your car to make more power N/A or be bottle strong? This the main question Comp Cams asked me when I was researching a cam for my current combo, that is why it has lifts of .544intake/.566exhaust. Dot remember the exact numbers but it is gind numer 35-302-8 if you go to their site and look it up.

Here is my previous combination on a dry 100 shot:
Stock heads p&p
typhoon intake
F cam
19#ers
75mm tb and MAF
MAC Exhaust

This resulted in 322 rwhp and 460 rwtq

on the motor this made 260 rwhp and 290rwtq

just throwing some ideas with figures at ya for reference.

I would rather make it better off the bottle, becuase if I do use the bottle, it wont be often. That is a pretty high lift. Are your pistons relief cut, or dished?

[QWKSNKE]

Also, would 24's support the combo spraying say a 150 shot, or mildly blown?


I say yes if you are using a wet kit. Combo looks good. 1.7's with that cam will put you at a .529 lift. Most power adder cars like a split duration cam that favors a little more lift on the exhaust side. I am not sure if nitrous does or not.

Either way, compared to a stock car your combo will do fine. I am going to say you will peak a little over 300 rwhp and about 315-320 torque. (which fill nice in a street car.

[Italian LX]

You're going to be moving your power band up with that cam so you may want to get an intake that will match it. I would recomend the TFS Track Heat. :nice:

[joker]

You're going to be moving your power band up with that cam so you may want to get an intake that will match it. I would recomend the TFS Track Heat. :nice:
Thanks, I was wondering about that as well, but wasnt sure if going with the track heat would take too much off the bottom end or not.

[Italian LX]

Thanks, I was wondering about that as well, but wasnt sure if going with the track heat would take too much off the bottom end or not.
It will take some off the bottom end, but the gains up top will be a lot more than what you lose down low.

[joker]

It will take some off the bottom end, but the gains up top will be a lot more than what you lose down low.sweet :nice:

[RTGreen]

I would recomend AFR 185's. They will work fine on a stock bottom end without causing PTV clearance issues. The heads might be a little big for your mods listed, but it will give you plenty of room for future growth.

[QWKSNKE]

I agree with Todd if you know what your future items will be and they require more airflow, go with the 185's.

If that is going to be it for a long while (3-4 years) then stick with the 165's. Hell you can get most of your money back with used AFR heads if you went with the 165's and decided to build a higher hp engine way down the road.

[joker]

I agree with Todd if you know what your future items will be and they require more airflow, go with the 185's.

If that is going to be it for a long while (3-4 years) then stick with the 165's. Hell you can get most of your money back with used AFR heads if you went with the 165's and decided to build a higher hp engine way down the road.

I doubt I would max out the 165's any time in the near future. After I get the heads and intake, Im gonna start working on getting either the trans or bottom end anyways, so it will be while down the road before I get radicall enough to really need the 185's.

Will the 185's not cost me more of my power down low as compared to the 165's. I havent ordered either set as of yet and thier really isnt too muc`h of a price difference between the two.

[Italian LX]

. . . and thier really isnt too muc`h of a price difference between the two.

I was thinking that the 185's were a couple hundred more than the 165's. :think:

[joker]

I was thinking that the 185's were a couple hundred more than the 165's. :think:

Not from DSS. THe 165's are 1275.95 and the 185's are 1295.95

[QWKSNKE]

No. On ebay there is only about $20 difference between the 165's and 185's

[joker]

No. On ebay there is only about $20 difference between the 165's and 185's
So would the 185's hurt my performance for the time being? I know that one guy Jase always talks about at blakes supposedly had the highest n/a 302 dyno running 185's. I just dont want to kill my performance down low too much until power adder time.

[coupe]

Joker, the cam you have is an E303...or formerly the Crane 2040 compu-cam. It'll be alright and will work with the 185's...they have 2.02 valves. They won't hurt your bottom end at all. Neither will the track-heat. They will probably build power everywhere over the stock stuff.

My heads are around 176cc intake ports: Holley 17º systemax. Next meet, I'll take you for a spin, I think you'll be impressed for a mild NA car.You could always try some like that or the TFS stuff. AFR's are nice, but pricey.

[Wicked]

That cam is just an E Cam by a different name. Even the opening/closing events are the same.

I am with Lee, should be 300rwhp/320rwtq.
My friend steven used Twisted Wedges and GT40 Tubular intake with E Cam and 1.6's and got 297rwhp/327rwtq using my old shortblock.

[coupe]

Has anyone made 300 rwhp on here with a 302 pushrod motor? Wasn't yours 296 QWK? Taylors car (works w/ Blake at dyno) did 312...but it has AFR 185's, cam, intake, and the all-important: JMS chip...also an A9L conversion!!! Lot's done to it.

[Italian LX]

Has anyone made 300 rwhp on here with a 302 pushrod motor? Wasn't yours 296 QWK?
Yeah, but Lee made that with a B-cam. I'm sure he would have increased his peak numbrs with an E-cam. :yup:

[QWKSNKE]

or my B-31 cam. Its way more cam than the B & E

[QWKSNKE]

Has anyone made 300 rwhp on here with a 302 pushrod motor? Wasn't yours 296 QWK? Taylors car (works w/ Blake at dyno) did 312...but it has AFR 185's, cam, intake, and the all-important: JMS chip...also an A9L conversion!!! Lot's done to it.

I am pretty sure with an aftermarket MAF and t/b I would have easily tipped over 300 rwhp when I had the 'B' cam setup

[Craig K.]

I have made 292 hp and 312 torque on a regrind B303 cam.

I am sure that I can tip 300 hp with rejetting the carb, as I was running pretty fat, maybe even by changing carb plates.

This is with 1966 289 HO heads with 1.94/1.60 valves.

I hope this isn't an SEFI discussion only :jester:

[94five0]

i made 307...


but i used the juice..:D

[Shorty]

i am going to shot for 320rwhp N/A with the stock short block. :D

[coupe]

320 N/A...
Man, that's a tall order unless your combo is sorted out well and the tune is in check.
I think mine is hovering around 300 and will check it when I go for the tune. SCT.

[Shorty]

Man, that's a tall order unless your combo is sorted out well and the tune is in check.
I think mine is hovering around 300 and will check it when I go for the tune. SCT.


that was sort of a joke. but with the setup i am going to go with and i plan to go to ED Curtis for the cam, it may be possible to get close to that. that will still be a while tho.

[QWKSNKE]

I say very possible with a good head and custom cam grind

[Italian LX]

I say very possible with a good head and custom cam grind
. . . and a fresh short block. :nice:

[svopaul]

I say very possible with a good head and custom cam grind

:stupid:

[QWKSNKE]

. . . and a fresh short block. :nice:

Hell, his short block isn't even worn yet

[svopaul]

Hell, his short block isn't even worn yet


:werd:....I've run a number of high mileage short blocks....they only get faster with age ;)

[Italian LX]

:werd:....I've run a number of high mileage short blocks....they only get faster with age ;)
I agree that you can run good numbers with a "high milage" short block; however, there is a point where the amount of blow-by causes a significant decrease in performance.

[QWKSNKE]

I agree that you can run good numbers with a "high milage" short block; however, there is a point where the amount of blow-by causes a significant decrease in performance.


Yep. We know that for a fact :D

[coupe]

:lol: Who has blowby?

[Italian LX]

:lol: Who has blowby?
:shrug:

I'm sure I've got a good 75,000 miles left before my rings start wearing any. ;)

[QWKSNKE]

:lol: Who has blowby?

Probably the guy who is pushing 14psi through a cylinder with 40 psi of compression ;)

[Shorty]

:lol: