Few things done to the 93 today.. [Archive]

Italian LX

02-05-2005, 04:41 PM

:cool:

http://www.deepstageperformance.com/pics/93swap-06.jpg

http://www.deepstageperformance.com/pics/93swap-07.jpg

http://www.deepstageperformance.com/pics/93swap-08.jpg

http://www.deepstageperformance.com/pics/93swap-09.jpg

The Rock 326

02-05-2005, 04:44 PM

sweet! :metal:

96GTS

02-05-2005, 05:58 PM

sweet! :metal:
:stupid:
:metal: :metal:

QWKSNKE

02-05-2005, 08:27 PM

Unless we decide to go out to the shop this week to fool with it, we should finish it up in a few hours next Saturday. Then if/when weather permits, it will be time to clean up the engine bay

NightHawk756

02-05-2005, 09:23 PM

Saweet!! :metal: Your making me jealous!! :jester:

NightHawk756

02-05-2005, 09:26 PM

I was going to say, take some up close pics of the main webbing and main caps of your block since it was freshly cleaned. Then I would do the same with the mexican when I got it back. Then we could put up a comparison pic thread between the two on this site for others to reference. Then I noticed the assembled shortblock pic(dial-up takes forever:nono:). oh well. :shrug:

Italian LX

02-05-2005, 09:49 PM

I was going to say, take some up close pics of the main webbing and main caps of your block since it was freshly cleaned.
I'll post pics of my main caps for comparison if you like. :D

EZ SPEED

02-07-2005, 03:42 AM

:nice:

QWKSNKE

02-07-2005, 06:19 AM

more work done on Sunday

http://www.qwiksnake.com/pics/Engine build/IMG_1527.jpg

http://www.qwiksnake.com/pics/Engine build/IMG_1528.jpg

http://www.qwiksnake.com/pics/Engine build/IMG_1533.jpg

http://www.qwiksnake.com/pics/Engine build/IMG_1534.jpg

http://www.qwiksnake.com/pics/Engine build/IMG_1532.jpg

http://www.qwiksnake.com/pics/Engine build/IMG_1538.jpg

QWKSNKE

02-07-2005, 06:23 AM

http://www.qwiksnake.com/pics/Engine build/IMG_1536.jpg

99LS1

02-07-2005, 06:34 AM

:nice:

Craig K.

02-07-2005, 07:12 AM

Nice!

coupe

02-07-2005, 07:45 AM

looks too nice to use! Display it in the living room! :metal:

QWKSNKE

02-07-2005, 10:29 AM

Parts list

New parts.
Balanced and bluprinted OEM block. Bored .030 over.
Ross Racing flat top pistons (OEM replacements)
Speedpro file fit rings
Scat h-beam rods
ATI Super dampner
Canton 7qt pan.
Canton main girdle
Jomar Stud girdle (heads)
ARP head studs. (block was drilled and tapped for 1/2" head bolts/studs)
Polished FRPP tall valve covers (to clear stud girdle)
Clevite 77 race bearings (main, rod, and cam)
FRPP replacement roller lifters
and all new ARP bolts (oil pan, timing cover, intake, water pump, etc)

Parts I am reusing.
AFM B-31 cam
Comp cams pro mag roller rockers
TFS hardened pushrods
AFR 165 heads
Procharger D-1 :D

Scothew

02-07-2005, 11:17 AM

gonna get a kick ass timing chain this time around?

That looks amazing Lee! :nice:

CrazyInBlack

02-07-2005, 08:15 PM

damn that is nice

ChipR4cam

02-08-2005, 08:02 AM

Is it done yet?:D

Italian LX

02-12-2005, 05:42 PM

http://www.deepstageperformance.com/pics/93swap-10.jpg

http://www.deepstageperformance.com/pics/93swap-11.jpg

http://www.deepstageperformance.com/pics/93swap-12.jpg

http://www.deepstageperformance.com/pics/93swap-13.jpg

http://www.deepstageperformance.com/pics/93swap-14.jpg

hevymtl

02-12-2005, 05:47 PM

Lookin really good , Lee!! I cant wait to see what kind of power it will produce. :popcorn:

tacbear

02-12-2005, 05:48 PM

That is a work of Art!!!!!!!!!!

QWKSNKE

02-12-2005, 06:00 PM

Lookin really good , Lee!! I cant wait to see what kind of power it will produce. :popcorn:

Once we get it broke in, it should the same as it was before i cracked the piston

Wickd GT

02-13-2005, 07:18 AM

Once we get it broke in, it should the same as it was before i cracked the piston

Lee, are those headers new? If not, put a set of long tube headers, you'll pick up about 50 ft lbs of torque and big time mid range power, with out turning the engine to high, it will do more power at the same rpm you will be shifting, it will move the power and torque up in the rpm range.

Edgar

93Cobra#2771

02-15-2005, 08:58 AM

I agree, Lee - go to long tubes. If you make too much power (?), you can repulley and make same power as before with less boost...

93Cobra#2771

02-15-2005, 08:59 AM

And I know someone who might be interested in those ceramic shorties... :D

QWKSNKE

02-15-2005, 09:04 AM

Edgar. No they are not new.

Richard, I stripped the ceramic coating off of them when I tried to clean them up a week or so ago. They are freshly painted. (figure it will last about 1k-2k miles)

93Cobra#2771

02-15-2005, 09:11 AM

Nevermind on someone wanting them... :D

If they ain't shiny, I don't want them... :lol:
Seriously, I'm half way considering going to ceramic long tubes (BBK maybe?), and modding my Dr. Gas to work with the long tubes.

coupe

02-15-2005, 09:34 AM

what's with the girdle on the rockers?

93Cobra#2771

02-15-2005, 09:37 AM

So no one will think his rockers look "phat"... :jester:

Italian LX

02-15-2005, 09:47 AM

what's with the girdle on the rockers?
It limits valvetrain flex. :yup:

Italian LX

02-15-2005, 09:50 AM

Hey Lee, I know someone that will sell you his long tubes and h-pipe. ;)

coupe

02-15-2005, 10:34 AM

Sendero

02-15-2005, 10:39 AM

What are you guys' opinions on that girdle. I've often wondered if it's really necessary with good studs, rockers, and quality heads. Seems more of a gimick, but heck, the serious motors seeing 1000+ hp and 8-9k+ RPM have to have them. But on a street motor under 6500 RPM? Just curious.

I believe some of Lee's initial valvetrain problems (with the blower) were attributed to valvetrain flex. I think a girdle would take care of that issue.

coupe

02-15-2005, 10:52 AM

K. :nice:

Italian LX

02-15-2005, 10:53 AM

. . . But on a street motor under 6500 RPM?
Who said he was going to keep it under 6500? :think:

93Cobra#2771

02-15-2005, 11:09 AM

Knowing the power he's gonna be making, I sure would...

RPM + mega boost + stock block (mexican, even) = split block, IMHO.

Italian LX

02-15-2005, 11:12 AM

Knowing the power he's gonna be making, I sure would...

RPM + mega boost + stock block (mexican, even) = split block, IMHO.
I wouldn't classify 14psi as "mega boost". :shrug:

QWKSNKE

02-15-2005, 12:19 PM

I wouldn't classify 14psi as "mega boost". :shrug:

not these days

coupe

02-15-2005, 12:44 PM

Planning on going beyond 6500? B31? 165's? Cobra? :think:
Yikes :o

93Cobra#2771

02-15-2005, 12:48 PM

I thought it was pullied for 20psi, my bad...

Italian LX

02-15-2005, 12:57 PM

Planning on going beyond 6500? B31? 165's? Cobra? :think:
Yikes :o
Maybe. . . we'll have to see what the curve looks like after 6K. ;)

http://www.deepstageperformance.com/images/dyno-93cobra.gif

TheJeanyus

02-15-2005, 01:53 PM

Planning on going beyond 6500? B31? 165's? Cobra? :think:
Yikes :o
Well, his rev limiter is set for about 7500...

93Cobra#2771

02-15-2005, 02:45 PM

QWKSNKE

02-15-2005, 02:47 PM

I thought it was pullied for 20psi, my bad...

it is Richard. But pulley's are based off stock motors. Even though I run a 20 psi pulley combination, actual boost is a hair over 14 psi. Boost loss is due to the 3 core intercooler plus free flowing heads :nice:

Coupe,
You don't have to have a high rpm motor to exprience valvetrain flex. Especially when dealing with 3/8" studs. Edgar and I discussed my rocker arm problems numerous times and came to the conclusion that I was expriencing flex after the blower install.

QWKSNKE

02-15-2005, 02:48 PM

So it's one of those "high rev" hydrolic roller cams from AFM, right? Anything exotic in the drivetrain (titanium keepers, beehive springs, etc)?

Man, I'd be afraid of that thing coming apart with that amount of power and rpm...

The times my car have seen 7k rpm was accidental (only once or twice) Most of the time I shift around 6000 rpm

93Cobra#2771

02-15-2005, 02:51 PM

Gotcha. Guess I was thinking you were seeing 20 psi. How big is your exhaust? I would look at going with 3", and a 1 7/8" header. You'll see even less boost then... :evil:

QWKSNKE

02-15-2005, 02:55 PM

1 5/8 shorties with 2.5" VRS X and soon to be 2.5" Borla Pro XS catback

coupe

02-15-2005, 04:01 PM

Gotcha. Guess I was thinking you were seeing 20 psi. How big is your exhaust? I would look at going with 3", and a 1 7/8" header. You'll see even less boost then...
Gotta know what the reasoning is on less boost with the bigger exhaust? The exhaust event is pretty much independent on the intake/pressurized event. Just trying to broaden my thinking from my narrow-minded view. ;)

I would say a camshaft or displacement change would affect it, but not the exhaust pipes... :shrug: Enlighten...

QWKSNKE

02-15-2005, 05:01 PM

Gotta know what the reasoning is on less boost with the bigger exhaust? The exhaust event is pretty much independent on the intake/pressurized event. Just trying to broaden my thinking from my narrow-minded view. ;)

I would say a camshaft or displacement change would affect it, but not the exhaust pipes... :shrug: Enlighten...

Actually, according to KB, the lightning guys are seeing MORE boost with exhaust improvements such as long tubes

Italian LX

02-15-2005, 05:34 PM

Actually, according to KB, the lightning guys are seeing MORE boost with exhaust improvements such as long tubes
Likely because you get less scavenging with a bigger exhaust and therefore, less "help" on the induction side... which leads to more boost. :nice:

TheJeanyus

02-15-2005, 05:56 PM

Likely because you get less scavenging with a bigger exhaust and therefore, less "help" on the induction side... which leads to more boost. :nice:
:werd:

I saw about a 1/2 psi increase when I put my ProChamber on.

EZ SPEED

02-16-2005, 07:09 AM

Actually, according to KB, the lightning guys are seeing MORE boost with exhaust improvements such as long tubes

The Lightning guys always said that when you added longtubes and high flow cats that you would lose 1-2 #'s of boost. Some say you gain 1-2 #'s, Mine didnt change at all.....so I dont know what to believe :shrug:

93Cobra#2771

02-16-2005, 08:51 AM

I guess you have to assume that the current exhaust is a bit of a restriction, and you won't be restricted on the intake side.

With the HP levels you are running, I've always heard that 3" is the ticket, and big primary tubes on the headers is the norm.

Guess I was treating the exhaust side like the intake side - course maybe I'm nucking futs... :D

What do I know, I'm still in the 14's... :lol: