New toys ... - Page 3

1sicklx · 04-02-2006, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by qkjuicedpony

why cant you use longtubes???

i had a 514 big block in a tbird that was lowered and the motor was also dropped an inch...it had 2 inch longtubes and they had a lot of clearance

The car isn't just lowered ... it's as low as you can possibly go. I'm already worried about the front air dam clearing some of the pot holes on south side, I may end up having to raising it back up just a little.

coupe · 04-02-2006, 12:58 PM

There are way more cam choices than what are mentioned here. And it would be worth the extra to get the right cam than be limited to a TFS choice. You can keep the 331, but the cam should be around 224 to 226Âº and lift really would like to be around .542". I think you should put a motorsport X-303 cam in it. That cam is versatile and has the perfect numbers for your setup...and you can probably find one CHEAP. Get your stroker-kit for use with TW heads & you'll be fine with the X-303 -->.542" lift.

1sicklx · 04-02-2006, 02:30 PM

That is an option, because at this point I'm considering getting the whole long block from DSS which comes with you're choice of alphabet cam. With the R-series Intake this combo should make plenty of HP but how do you suppose the tq would look like? It'll still need to have a hefty amount of ft-lbs to get the 3500+ lb pig rolling.

slvrbullit · 04-02-2006, 07:24 PM

You will want to go with long tubes, at least that is what three different MFG's told me before I got my DSS 331. I called DSS, CHP, and Ed Curtis and they all suggested 1-3/4" LT's because the 331 like to breath.

As for your hp and tq numbers guessing, after my motor had about 800 miles I took it to the dyno and was not pleased with the HP numbers but the torque was 360rwtq, as for the power I was making 317rwhp but that was with a 75mm maf, since I have added a 80mm maf and tweecer but have no numbers yet but I am guessing I am making 350 rwhp and 400+rwtq now accordind to the times I have ran and the weight of the car.

1sicklx · 04-02-2006, 09:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by slvrbullit

You will want to go with long tubes, at least that is what three different MFG's told me before I got my DSS 331. I called DSS, CHP, and Ed Curtis and they all suggested 1-3/4" LT's because the 331 like to breath.

Then I may end up having to swap the springs out to raise it back up some, or consider going with a 302 based combo so I can keep the look it has now.

Just for kicks what street reliable combo would you go with for a 302-306?

coupe · 04-02-2006, 09:37 PM

Just saw a guy post on hardcore50 who went 10.xx @ 123 N/A with a 347 and 1 5/8" headers. I think you should keep the 331, put some nice 1 5/8" shorties on it and a good H-pipe. Stick in the X-cam and run the rest of the stuff you said. The car will make 350 to the tires pretty easily. Shorties will get you where you want to go.

1sicklx · 04-02-2006, 09:42 PM

Thanks for the feedback

1sicklx · 04-04-2006, 02:14 PM

I gave DSS a call today and talked about some different options. They recommended a the 347 over the 331. We discussed the longevity and reliability of the 331 vs. 347 and they said that although the 331 was a little easier on the block than the 347 that it wasn't a big enough difference that they wouldn't recommend it for a daily driver. He also said that with a heavier car such as mine that it would benefit from the extra tq the 347 offered. So the jury is still out on which one I'm going with ...

We also discussed cam and intake options (x303, TFS Stage 2 & 3, Track heat, Systemax, TFS R) They recommended the TFS stage 2 with either the track heat or systemax intake for a daily driver.

Heads comes down between AFR 185, Twisted Wedge, CNC'd Twisted Wedge.

My head hurts.

I'm going to put my order in Friday, so anything you have to share ... I'm listening.

uvbnhad · 04-04-2006, 02:17 PM

Something that comes to my mind is that if you are going to go with a 347, why not go ahead and get a 351? The cost you are going to shell out for a 347 probably won't even compare to just starting out with a 351 and going from there.

You could probably find a 351 out of an torrino or something at a pull apart or somewhere else. Have it hottanked, magnafluxed, etc. and build it on the side. Once it's built, swap out the 5.0 and then drop in the 351.

QWKSNKE · 04-04-2006, 02:44 PM

because a 351 would not be a direct drop in. There are exhaust issues, taller engine, etc.

347 may not be a bad idea to do. I have never owned one so I cannot make any suggestions.

04-02-2006, 12:58 PM	#22
coupe Super Moderator Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 6,313	Re: New toys ... There are way more cam choices than what are mentioned here. And it would be worth the extra to get the right cam than be limited to a TFS choice. You can keep the 331, but the cam should be around 224 to 226Âº and lift really would like to be around .542". I think you should put a motorsport X-303 cam in it. That cam is versatile and has the perfect numbers for your setup...and you can probably find one CHEAP. Get your stroker-kit for use with TW heads & you'll be fine with the X-303 -->.542" lift. __________________ " If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough. " - Albert Einstein

04-02-2006, 02:30 PM	#23
1sicklx BamaMafia 4 Life Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Lake View, AL Posts: 2,577	Re: New toys ... That is an option, because at this point I'm considering getting the whole long block from DSS which comes with you're choice of alphabet cam. With the R-series Intake this combo should make plenty of HP but how do you suppose the tq would look like? It'll still need to have a hefty amount of ft-lbs to get the 3500+ lb pig rolling. __________________ 1999 Ford F-150 Lariat

04-02-2006, 07:24 PM	#24
slvrbullit Super Moderator Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: on the water Posts: 1,280	Re: New toys ... You will want to go with long tubes, at least that is what three different MFG's told me before I got my DSS 331. I called DSS, CHP, and Ed Curtis and they all suggested 1-3/4" LT's because the 331 like to breath. As for your hp and tq numbers guessing, after my motor had about 800 miles I took it to the dyno and was not pleased with the HP numbers but the torque was 360rwtq, as for the power I was making 317rwhp but that was with a 75mm maf, since I have added a 80mm maf and tweecer but have no numbers yet but I am guessing I am making 350 rwhp and 400+rwtq now accordind to the times I have ran and the weight of the car. __________________ 2012 Jeep Wrangler Unlimited--- too many mods to list, about to be sitting on 1 ton axles. 2000 Ford F-350 Dually Lariat LE Crew Cab Short Box 7.3 auto 168,000 miles

04-02-2006, 09:37 PM	#26
coupe Super Moderator Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 6,313	Re: New toys ... Just saw a guy post on hardcore50 who went 10.xx @ 123 N/A with a 347 and 1 5/8" headers. I think you should keep the 331, put some nice 1 5/8" shorties on it and a good H-pipe. Stick in the X-cam and run the rest of the stuff you said. The car will make 350 to the tires pretty easily. Shorties will get you where you want to go. __________________ " If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough. " - Albert Einstein

04-02-2006, 09:42 PM	#27
1sicklx BamaMafia 4 Life Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Lake View, AL Posts: 2,577	Re: New toys ... Thanks for the feedback __________________ 1999 Ford F-150 Lariat

04-04-2006, 02:14 PM	#28
1sicklx BamaMafia 4 Life Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Lake View, AL Posts: 2,577	Re: New toys ... I gave DSS a call today and talked about some different options. They recommended a the 347 over the 331. We discussed the longevity and reliability of the 331 vs. 347 and they said that although the 331 was a little easier on the block than the 347 that it wasn't a big enough difference that they wouldn't recommend it for a daily driver. He also said that with a heavier car such as mine that it would benefit from the extra tq the 347 offered. So the jury is still out on which one I'm going with ... We also discussed cam and intake options (x303, TFS Stage 2 & 3, Track heat, Systemax, TFS R) They recommended the TFS stage 2 with either the track heat or systemax intake for a daily driver. Heads comes down between AFR 185, Twisted Wedge, CNC'd Twisted Wedge. My head hurts. I'm going to put my order in Friday, so anything you have to share ... I'm listening. __________________ 1999 Ford F-150 Lariat

04-04-2006, 02:17 PM	#29
uvbnhad Friends Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: McCalla Posts: 1,241	Re: New toys ... Something that comes to my mind is that if you are going to go with a 347, why not go ahead and get a 351? The cost you are going to shell out for a 347 probably won't even compare to just starting out with a 351 and going from there. You could probably find a 351 out of an torrino or something at a pull apart or somewhere else. Have it hottanked, magnafluxed, etc. and build it on the side. Once it's built, swap out the 5.0 and then drop in the 351.

04-04-2006, 02:44 PM	#30
QWKSNKE 3v's are slow Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Here and There Posts: 17,152	Re: New toys ... because a 351 would not be a direct drop in. There are exhaust issues, taller engine, etc. 347 may not be a bad idea to do. I have never owned one so I cannot make any suggestions.