Still Glowing

04 Mach1 · 02-27-2006, 09:19 PM

Got it all back together tonight. Fired up and let it come up to temp and let it run for about 30min. Then decided to check the base timing it as sitting at 25 degrees bumbed it back to 10 degrees and it only took maybe 2 min and started the glowing of the headers again. Is it possible to spin a sfi balancer? Or is it more likely to twiste the snout of the crank(supercharger pulley). I have a stock one I plan to try tomorrow. This is getting F#@king old.

Italian LX · 02-27-2006, 09:23 PM

What kind of loads are you seeing at idle?

04 Mach1 · 02-27-2006, 09:27 PM

Sorry didn't do a data logs just wanted to fire it up and make sure there weren't any other gaskets blown. But that don't make sense if i can turn up the base timing at idle and it goes away. I'll find that out tomorrow to.

Disney Lincoln · 02-27-2006, 10:40 PM

Is the timing advancing correctly with the SPOUT in place?

86GT · 02-27-2006, 10:53 PM

Pull plug number one and make sure TDC is TDC on the marks. Glowing headers is usually caused from retarded timing as you have found out.

Either the damper has slipped or the timing mark indicator on the block is the wrong one or something weird like that.

QWKSNKE · 02-28-2006, 03:57 AM

Do you still have the BTM hooked up? Do you think it maybe causing something weird to happen with the timing even when not in boost?

jwillburn119 · 02-28-2006, 07:18 PM

instead of beating your head in and tearing down reatrded shit, just go ahead and pull the timing cover and check to see if the little dots on the timing chain match up to the keyway on the crank... thats what i would do... what did you do to it... is the timing retarded on the timing chain?

QWKSNKE · 02-28-2006, 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by jwillburn119

instead of beating your head in and tearing down reatrded shit, just go ahead and pull the timing cover and check to see if the little dots on the timing chain match up to the keyway on the crank... thats what i would do... what did you do to it... is the timing retarded on the timing chain?

that is possible but his car was doing this before it was completley tore down a few weeks ago. He just reassembled the motor last week

jwillburn119 · 02-28-2006, 07:48 PM

it could be that he fixed one problem, and caused another... its worth a shot... also.. couldnt it just be a bad tune that is causing it to run lean... because i know extremely lean conditions can cause glowing headers... and glowing other stuff too... is the temp off the charts... what are the headers made out of... those are all viable questions... i dont know what yall know... but thats just what is coming to my mind... also it has been my experience that even if the computer reads that it is giving the engine a set amount of fuel... it may not be recieving that amount... has it had an AIR FUEL guage put on it? one more thing at the sake of sounding like a rambler... if it smells like burnt metal and not burnt fuel at the exhaust side... its probably lean... and I know exactly how you feel about stuff getting old

i dont know your situation... how much boost VS. how big are your injectors... it sounds like you are starving your system

04 Mach1 · 02-28-2006, 08:03 PM

Just checked sfi balancer with the old oem one I had,they are exactly the same as far as marks lining up. The cam is installed dot to dot. I thought lean but it has 50lbs injectors. Just don't make sense that i can set base timing a 25 and it does not glow the headers. When we drove it the other night I didn't check the timing until we got back and it was at 30 and run great(until I didn't pull anytiming out a wot thats why the heads were back off.)

02-27-2006, 09:19 PM	#1
04 Mach1 Bet I red light B4U Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: ANNISTON, AL Posts: 975	Still Glowing Got it all back together tonight. Fired up and let it come up to temp and let it run for about 30min. Then decided to check the base timing it as sitting at 25 degrees bumbed it back to 10 degrees and it only took maybe 2 min and started the glowing of the headers again. Is it possible to spin a sfi balancer? Or is it more likely to twiste the snout of the crank(supercharger pulley). I have a stock one I plan to try tomorrow. This is getting F#@king old.

02-27-2006, 09:23 PM	#2
Italian LX Daddy x4 ...we're done Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Oxford, AL Posts: 11,551	Re: Still Glowing What kind of loads are you seeing at idle? __________________ -Brian '86 Mustang GT Convertible '88 Mustang LX coupe '11 Odyssey TE '21 Insight Touring

02-27-2006, 09:27 PM	#3
04 Mach1 Bet I red light B4U Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: ANNISTON, AL Posts: 975	Re: Still Glowing Sorry didn't do a data logs just wanted to fire it up and make sure there weren't any other gaskets blown. But that don't make sense if i can turn up the base timing at idle and it goes away. I'll find that out tomorrow to.

02-27-2006, 10:40 PM	#4
Disney Lincoln Senior Member Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 290	Re: Still Glowing Is the timing advancing correctly with the SPOUT in place?

02-27-2006, 10:53 PM	#5
86GT Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Sacramento California Posts: 449	Re: Still Glowing Pull plug number one and make sure TDC is TDC on the marks. Glowing headers is usually caused from retarded timing as you have found out. Either the damper has slipped or the timing mark indicator on the block is the wrong one or something weird like that. __________________ EEC Analyzer A9M, TwEECer, 306ci, 73mm C&L w Tuner Tube, Cobra Intake, 42# inj, Edelbrock 6037, E303 cam, 155 fuel pump, FPR, 70mm TB, E-Fan, 3.55 gears, Powerdyne 9psi actual 5psi...way more.

02-28-2006, 03:57 AM	#6
QWKSNKE 3v's are slow Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Here and There Posts: 17,152	Re: Still Glowing Do you still have the BTM hooked up? Do you think it maybe causing something weird to happen with the timing even when not in boost? __________________ 2009 Porsche Carrera S 2008 ///AMG C63.. Eurocharge Tune. RIP 2019 AMG GLC43..wife's 03 F250 SD.. Edge Evo, AFE Stage 1 CAI 08 GT. JBA axle back, FRPP springs, FRPP swaybars.. daughter's 01 Cobra vert... wife's I need a new toy

02-28-2006, 07:18 PM	#7
jwillburn119 Senior Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: temple, tx Posts: 240	Re: Still Glowing instead of beating your head in and tearing down reatrded shit, just go ahead and pull the timing cover and check to see if the little dots on the timing chain match up to the keyway on the crank... thats what i would do... what did you do to it... is the timing retarded on the timing chain? __________________ Whats in your WALLET?

02-28-2006, 07:48 PM	#9
jwillburn119 Senior Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: temple, tx Posts: 240	Re: Still Glowing it could be that he fixed one problem, and caused another... its worth a shot... also.. couldnt it just be a bad tune that is causing it to run lean... because i know extremely lean conditions can cause glowing headers... and glowing other stuff too... is the temp off the charts... what are the headers made out of... those are all viable questions... i dont know what yall know... but thats just what is coming to my mind... also it has been my experience that even if the computer reads that it is giving the engine a set amount of fuel... it may not be recieving that amount... has it had an AIR FUEL guage put on it? one more thing at the sake of sounding like a rambler... if it smells like burnt metal and not burnt fuel at the exhaust side... its probably lean... and I know exactly how you feel about stuff getting old i dont know your situation... how much boost VS. how big are your injectors... it sounds like you are starving your system __________________ Whats in your WALLET?

02-28-2006, 08:03 PM	#10
04 Mach1 Bet I red light B4U Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: ANNISTON, AL Posts: 975	Re: Still Glowing Just checked sfi balancer with the old oem one I had,they are exactly the same as far as marks lining up. The cam is installed dot to dot. I thought lean but it has 50lbs injectors. Just don't make sense that i can set base timing a 25 and it does not glow the headers. When we drove it the other night I didn't check the timing until we got back and it was at 30 and run great(until I didn't pull anytiming out a wot thats why the heads were back off.)