96 cobra and tweecer rt

broken_joke · 10-05-2006, 08:26 PM

i have the tweecer rt from a previous car (95 gt) and want to use it for the cobra. i noticed the sticky about inlet air temps/engine coolant temps. is the tuning similar for these cars? i ran through the base tune just to see and some of the functions/scalars/tables are similar. what would be some good first suggested tuning areas?
thanks
jake

Sendero · 10-05-2006, 08:54 PM

What processor/strategy is your Cobra? My LLX3/CDAN4 went from 273rwhp to 285rwhp by just swapping in the AOL3 fuel and spark maps. Playing with my stock MAF transfer I squeezed out four more RWHP before I stopped tuning on the Cobra.

broken_joke · 10-06-2006, 07:19 AM

i have the llx3/cdan4. you gained that much going to the aol3 spark/fuel maps! i will have to take a look at that file. i would imagine i need to get flow/volt #'s from c&l to input also for the maf. also did you ever use the sealevel load scaling on your cobra?
thanks
jake

Sendero · 10-06-2006, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by broken_joke

i have the llx3/cdan4. you gained that much going to the aol3 spark/fuel maps! i will have to take a look at that file. i would imagine i need to get flow/volt #'s from c&l to input also for the maf.

Be careful with the C&L. I had the full kit (MAF, Tru-Flow Pipe, etc) and I had an issue with decel-stalling. When I was coming to a stop and let the throttle close all the way, the car would stall. It didn't do it with the stock MAF, but did it frequently with the C&L. Swapped back and forth a couple of times and it always stopped with C&L. I've found that the flow rating on the Ford MAF is greater than a N/A Cobra motor could ingest anyway, so I bought a Wideband and played with leaning out the fuel maps.

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also did you ever use the sealevel load scaling on your cobra?
thanks
jake

No, I just set all my Adaptive cells to 10 and let the car learn real-time.

broken_joke · 10-06-2006, 05:29 PM

i got the c&l kit for 100 bucks (meter,housing,filter,inlet pipe).so i figured i'd give it a whirl. i haven't installed the tweecer yet, i'll probably do it this weekend. but i will look out for the stalling at decel.
thanks
jake

broken_joke · 10-06-2006, 11:11 PM

i installed the tweecer and used a aol3/crajo file i got off yahoo group for comparison. i used the spark files and that was it pretty much. man, this thing hauls now! it is a night and day comparison from the xcal2 tune! also no stalling either so far.

Cougar5.0 · 10-23-2006, 11:50 PM

C&L is like any other MAF - measures airflow. Not sure what all this C&L talk is about as many hundreds of people run them just fine. Mine car runs like a stock car even though it has a cam, 80mm C&L, 85mm TB (big TB's are a nightmare to tune) & a supercharger with H2O injection. I would never go and blame my lack of tuning skills on the air meter.

Sendero · 10-24-2006, 09:19 AM

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I would never go and blame my lack of tuning skills on the air meter.

Well, I don't have the "make it work because others use it" mentality. Just because "everybody else" uses it doesn't make it right for mine or broken_joke's application. Both of our applications come with an appropriately sized meter directly from Ford; unless you change displacement, injectors, or add boost. Since he has done none of those why are you advocating more work and potential issues for a negligible gain? Should he go out and by a Tornado Air Management System since "hundreds of other people" run it and their evident superior tuning skills allows them to get better gas mileage.

Next time you decide to make a hack at someone, why don't you try adding some tech to your post instead of making the product sound like a "one size fits all for any application".

Cougar5.0 · 10-26-2006, 10:21 PM

Dude, you were the one hacking away at the C&L meter with little substance to your arguments. Don't blame me if I have a different view of the meter. If you don't need a larger meter, then don't bother with it - but don't blame the C&L for issues that many of us do not have or if we did have, found that it was not the meter but something else. I'll leave the Tornado crap to the ricers - nice straw man argument though.

Sendero · 10-27-2006, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Cougar5.0

Dude, you were the one hacking away at the C&L meter with little substance to your arguments.

Really? Four back to back tests over two months with 1500+ miles datalogged and two trips to the dyno using different MAF Transfers and tuning parameters with help from numerous other tuners isn't substance. Damn! Excuse me if I don't regurgetate the entire tuning history of my vehicle in every post.

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Don't blame me if I have a different view of the meter.

Nobody did. You blamed me for my lack a ability to make it work even though it was the wrong choice for my application. Then injected that "hundreds of others" have no problems so it must be my issue and called Straw Man on my rebuttal. You beat me to the Straw Man I believe. I'm still trying to find where I bad mouthed C&L, really I am.

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If you don't need a larger meter, then don't bother with it - but don't blame the C&L for issues that many of us do not have or if we did have, found that it was not the meter but something else.

Burden of Proof is on you then. Scothew experienced the same problems with the same meter; so has other 96-98 Cobra owners on Corral, SVTPerformance, and Stangnet. Keep in mind I'm only talking about EEC-V LLX3-4/AOL3 applications not EEC-IV A9x applications, which is what my recommendations above were gear towards. I could agree with your statements if I said "all C&L's have decel stalling issues", but that's not what I said is it?

But that's whats good about the internet, everybody has an opinion.

10-05-2006, 08:26 PM	#1
broken_joke Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: carriere,ms Posts: 6	96 cobra and tweecer rt i have the tweecer rt from a previous car (95 gt) and want to use it for the cobra. i noticed the sticky about inlet air temps/engine coolant temps. is the tuning similar for these cars? i ran through the base tune just to see and some of the functions/scalars/tables are similar. what would be some good first suggested tuning areas? thanks jake __________________ 96 cobra 6 speed, 4.10's, magnaflow catback, c&l mass air kit, under dirive pulleys, fluidyne radiator, xcal 2/tweecer rt.

10-05-2006, 08:54 PM	#2
Sendero Im gonna show her my... Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Somewhere providing FREE tech support. Posts: 4,269	What processor/strategy is your Cobra? My LLX3/CDAN4 went from 273rwhp to 285rwhp by just swapping in the AOL3 fuel and spark maps. Playing with my stock MAF transfer I squeezed out four more RWHP before I stopped tuning on the Cobra. __________________ I heard it on the internet, so it must be true. "I believe that a person's moral compass can be determined by how he references free men the right to defend themselves." T. Nugent "An armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life." R. Heinlein "Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience." -Unknown

10-06-2006, 07:19 AM	#3
broken_joke Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: carriere,ms Posts: 6	i have the llx3/cdan4. you gained that much going to the aol3 spark/fuel maps! i will have to take a look at that file. i would imagine i need to get flow/volt #'s from c&l to input also for the maf. also did you ever use the sealevel load scaling on your cobra? thanks jake __________________ 96 cobra 6 speed, 4.10's, magnaflow catback, c&l mass air kit, under dirive pulleys, fluidyne radiator, xcal 2/tweecer rt.

10-06-2006, 05:29 PM	#5
broken_joke Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: carriere,ms Posts: 6	i got the c&l kit for 100 bucks (meter,housing,filter,inlet pipe).so i figured i'd give it a whirl. i haven't installed the tweecer yet, i'll probably do it this weekend. but i will look out for the stalling at decel. thanks jake __________________ 96 cobra 6 speed, 4.10's, magnaflow catback, c&l mass air kit, under dirive pulleys, fluidyne radiator, xcal 2/tweecer rt.

10-06-2006, 11:11 PM	#6
broken_joke Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: carriere,ms Posts: 6	i installed the tweecer and used a aol3/crajo file i got off yahoo group for comparison. i used the spark files and that was it pretty much. man, this thing hauls now! it is a night and day comparison from the xcal2 tune! also no stalling either so far. __________________ 96 cobra 6 speed, 4.10's, magnaflow catback, c&l mass air kit, under dirive pulleys, fluidyne radiator, xcal 2/tweecer rt.

10-23-2006, 11:50 PM	#7
Cougar5.0 Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 48	C&L is like any other MAF - measures airflow. Not sure what all this C&L talk is about as many hundreds of people run them just fine. Mine car runs like a stock car even though it has a cam, 80mm C&L, 85mm TB (big TB's are a nightmare to tune) & a supercharger with H2O injection. I would never go and blame my lack of tuning skills on the air meter.

10-26-2006, 10:21 PM	#9
Cougar5.0 Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 48	Dude, you were the one hacking away at the C&L meter with little substance to your arguments. Don't blame me if I have a different view of the meter. If you don't need a larger meter, then don't bother with it - but don't blame the C&L for issues that many of us do not have or if we did have, found that it was not the meter but something else. I'll leave the Tornado crap to the ricers - nice straw man argument though.