So I was thinking today... - Page 2

ncontt · 08-23-2007, 09:23 PM

that AEM looks pretty sweet.

Dale McPeters · 08-23-2007, 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by ncontt

that AEM looks pretty sweet.

They work pretty good too......

Dale McPeters · 08-24-2007, 06:24 PM

By the way Lee I guess I should explain why what you are trying to do will work so others that do not know will.......

Short Explaination :

The TwEECer takes over the calibration console of the EEC-IV just like most other J3 modules and uses the binary that is flashed to the TwEECer instead of what is in the EEC-IV. The TwEECer effectively takes over all the calibration data.

The PMS is a piggy back type system that goes in between the EEC-IV and the engine/sensors. It intercepts the signals and modifies them according to the programming that is loaded in the PMS.

When using the two in conjunction with each other the TwEECer would control most all the idle and drivability parameters. The PMS will only come into play when certain conditions are met in stand-a-lone mode just as it does now. This will effectively take the EEC-IV/TwEECer (J3 module) out of the picture when all of the preset parameters in the PMS are met. It will be like the TwEECer is not even there when this happens.

You will however have to make sure that the PMS is not fighting the TwEECer for things such as the idle control motor etc.

I did a setup like this a long time ago with an old style PMS & an EEC-Tuner. When it is setup properly it will work very very well.

rj95svt · 08-27-2007, 12:18 PM

I am not all that familiar with the pms. What are the benifits of the pms over the tweecers features at wide open throttle? The only thing I could see is it's ability to see boost and retard the timing according to that. There must be some additional benefits that I am not seeing. Would the tweecer be able to datalog WOT blasts when using the pms in stand alone.

Italian LX · 08-27-2007, 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by rj95svt

I am not all that familiar with the pms. What are the benifits of the pms over the tweecers features at wide open throttle? The only thing I could see is it's ability to see boost and retard the timing according to that.

I believe that was the biggest reason Lee was wanting to do this. The PMS also has some WOT nitrous features too, but beyond those, I personally don't know what the PMS has to offer.

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Originally Posted by rj95svt

Would the tweecer be able to datalog WOT blasts when using the pms in stand alone.

Wow, that a very good question that I didn't even think about.

What about it, Dale? Do you think this is possible?

QWKSNKE · 08-27-2007, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by rj95svt

I am not all that familiar with the pms. What are the benifits of the pms over the tweecers features at wide open throttle? The only thing I could see is it's ability to see boost and retard the timing according to that. There must be some additional benefits that I am not seeing. Would the tweecer be able to datalog WOT blasts when using the pms in stand alone.

PMS requires no laptop to tune, offers nitrous, built in 2-step, and boost controls. The standalone processor is so much faster than a stock EEC that it is rumored to drop off at least 2 tenths off your 1/4 mile time.

No the PMS turns off the EEC when certain WOT variable are met so you would not be able to datalog. The PMS would have to be disconnected to datalog and tune with the tweecer at WOT.

Dale McPeters · 08-27-2007, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Italian LX

I believe that was the biggest reason Lee was wanting to do this. The PMS also has some WOT nitrous features too, but beyond those, I personally don't know what the PMS has to offer.

Ok I can answer most of this as I got to go to school on Sunday....

The PMS Series IV benefits in stand-a-lone mode >

Nitrous Control
Boost reference (map sensor). Can control timing better under boost.
Engine can be turned to a higher rpm than 7000-7500 without changing the crystals in the EEC-IV. As some EEC-IV's are limited in this regard.

Plus other stuff that Lee listed above.

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Originally Posted by Italian LX

Wow, that a very good question that I didn't even think about.

What about it, Dale? Do you think this is possible?

No datalogging with the TwEECer when the PMS takes control in stand-a-lone mode as the TwEECer is taken out of the picture just like the EEC-IV. It will still be working but I would use the PMS/Interact software to datalog when the PMS goes onto stand-a-lone mode.

Clear as mud yet?

rj95svt · 08-28-2007, 12:18 PM

I was just curious about it. I didn't know anything about the pms. I have just ordered a tweecer rt for my cobra. I think for a regular street driven 94-95 car that the tweecer would be the best bet short of a full on stand alone such as the AEM. I am very impressed with its features and software and would love to have one. Seeing how the pms doesn't allow you to tune for driveability I can see the reasons for wanting to add the tweecer I just was unsure the reasons for keeping the pms along with the tweecer but I understand a little better now.

QWKSNKE · 08-28-2007, 12:33 PM

yeah I had a tweecer and then swapped to the PMS. The advanatage for me is not having to keep a laptop in the car to make changes. PMS has its own controller that displays real time data all the time.

Another reason was because I wanted to learn a new tuning tool. My next step is learning the SCT software on a late model

rj95svt · 08-28-2007, 03:12 PM

Yeah I was told it looks similar to my tweecer software but with less problems. If I knew somebody that done a bunch of tuning I would learn all I could about it. I would love to get paid for tuning cars.

08-23-2007, 09:23 PM	#11
ncontt pro-jackstand racer Join Date: May 2005 Location: Milner, Ga Posts: 2,473	that AEM looks pretty sweet. __________________ And God created Neil Peart so that lightning would make sense to the world. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

08-24-2007, 06:24 PM	#13
Dale McPeters 5.0 Block/Walnut Cracker Join Date: May 2005 Location: Working.... Posts: 2,409	By the way Lee I guess I should explain why what you are trying to do will work so others that do not know will....... Short Explaination : The TwEECer takes over the calibration console of the EEC-IV just like most other J3 modules and uses the binary that is flashed to the TwEECer instead of what is in the EEC-IV. The TwEECer effectively takes over all the calibration data. The PMS is a piggy back type system that goes in between the EEC-IV and the engine/sensors. It intercepts the signals and modifies them according to the programming that is loaded in the PMS. When using the two in conjunction with each other the TwEECer would control most all the idle and drivability parameters. The PMS will only come into play when certain conditions are met in stand-a-lone mode just as it does now. This will effectively take the EEC-IV/TwEECer (J3 module) out of the picture when all of the preset parameters in the PMS are met. It will be like the TwEECer is not even there when this happens. You will however have to make sure that the PMS is not fighting the TwEECer for things such as the idle control motor etc. I did a setup like this a long time ago with an old style PMS & an EEC-Tuner. When it is setup properly it will work very very well. __________________ '14 Dodge Challenger SRT8 392 6-speed Last edited by Dale McPeters; 08-24-2007 at 06:42 PM.

08-27-2007, 12:18 PM	#14
rj95svt Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 37	I am not all that familiar with the pms. What are the benifits of the pms over the tweecers features at wide open throttle? The only thing I could see is it's ability to see boost and retard the timing according to that. There must be some additional benefits that I am not seeing. Would the tweecer be able to datalog WOT blasts when using the pms in stand alone. __________________ 95 cobra with Mac shorties, O/R X pipe, Bassani real street mufflers in a 2 1/2" catback, CAI, 3.73's, Tweecer rt, ported stock heads and lower intake.

08-28-2007, 12:18 PM	#18
rj95svt Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 37	I was just curious about it. I didn't know anything about the pms. I have just ordered a tweecer rt for my cobra. I think for a regular street driven 94-95 car that the tweecer would be the best bet short of a full on stand alone such as the AEM. I am very impressed with its features and software and would love to have one. Seeing how the pms doesn't allow you to tune for driveability I can see the reasons for wanting to add the tweecer I just was unsure the reasons for keeping the pms along with the tweecer but I understand a little better now. __________________ 95 cobra with Mac shorties, O/R X pipe, Bassani real street mufflers in a 2 1/2" catback, CAI, 3.73's, Tweecer rt, ported stock heads and lower intake.

08-28-2007, 12:33 PM	#19
QWKSNKE 3v's are slow Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Here and There Posts: 17,152	yeah I had a tweecer and then swapped to the PMS. The advanatage for me is not having to keep a laptop in the car to make changes. PMS has its own controller that displays real time data all the time. Another reason was because I wanted to learn a new tuning tool. My next step is learning the SCT software on a late model __________________ 2009 Porsche Carrera S 2008 ///AMG C63.. Eurocharge Tune. RIP 2019 AMG GLC43..wife's 03 F250 SD.. Edge Evo, AFE Stage 1 CAI 08 GT. JBA axle back, FRPP springs, FRPP swaybars.. daughter's 01 Cobra vert... wife's I need a new toy

08-28-2007, 03:12 PM	#20
rj95svt Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 37	Yeah I was told it looks similar to my tweecer software but with less problems. If I knew somebody that done a bunch of tuning I would learn all I could about it. I would love to get paid for tuning cars. __________________ 95 cobra with Mac shorties, O/R X pipe, Bassani real street mufflers in a 2 1/2" catback, CAI, 3.73's, Tweecer rt, ported stock heads and lower intake.