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adjustable shocks
A dist. for a coilover setup wrote this about adjustable shocks. I wanted to run this by you guys to hear any different angles on his take.
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Re: adjustable shocks
Anyone who has improper english or grammer in technical posts, I tend to ignore. If you're that intelligent then you can figure out how to use a keyboard.
With that said, I am sure there are some "crappy" adjustable strut/shocks out there. I'd be interested to know who he was referring to in that post. Hope it wasn't Bilstien, Koni, or Tokico. Kind of hard to attack "adjustable" shock engineering when those people pretty much wrote the book on it.
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Re: adjustable shocks
His first language is french, not english. Attacking his grammar has nothing to do w/ the issue.
He basically said any adj. set under #3k is going to do it. What he is saying makes sense. Who cares if the people wrote the book on it did it that, it's probably from a cost standpoint like he alluded too. There's probably too much engineering involved to do hyd. valves on cheaper shocks. My understanding is that at least w/ a secondary valve, you can make minor adjustments since the shock should be suited for the spring you picked out and only need minor adjustments. By just bleeding the main valve, you're messing w/ the total dampening and you shouldn't need to make such drastic changes. I'm not saying what the guy says is gospel, I'd just like to hear some thoughts on it.
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My Bilsteins are non-adjustable because they are matched with my spring rates. I would have to make a HUGE jump in wheel rate to neccesitate a change in dampeners or a settings change. The only problem I am having now is rebound which I am sure is due to my portly curb weight. Quote:
Also, he mentions the bleed hole which is correct in his theory. But you also have to remember that the engineer's have calculated its value and what it does to the shock's travel. If I remember correctly, Edelbrock uses a "check valve" that closes the bleed hole when it senses jounce forces to ensure firmer shock control (stiffer compression setting). This is the same mechanism that is used on Baja racing vehicles which you and I both know take as much, if not more abuse, than a rally vehicle. If you apply this same theory to a Tokico 5-way adjustable, I am sure the "settings" of that shock are just some method of restricting the bleed hole. Koni could be the same way, but why change the engineering of the shock when its proven to work and to win? I would have to see more data on the bleed hole vs. secondary valve. His "statement" is not wrong either. What he is describing is used on many "remote mounted" shocks. If you've ever seen on of those setups on a race vehicle its usually the fluid tank and valve. I just don't think its worth doing on a street based car. I am not sure if you are looking at adjustable shocks for the Talon, but I would be more apt to recommend getting your suspension where you like it and then make the purchase for C/O's. We need to get on modding your IRS rear's camber curve and maybe even stick a sway bar back there to dial out some of that understeer. This better?
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Re: adjustable shocks
better. His setup is non-adj. also and everyone is so hyped on adj most of the time, it was refreshing to hear a school of thought against it.
I'm looking at full coilovers. For the rear susp. there's not a whole lot you can do. I'm not really aware of someone making LCAs, but they do make UCA which then I could adjust my rear camber, it looks way off. Along w/ bushings, rear sway, and rear toe eliminator that's about all she wrote for the rear. I should do the coilovers later, but I know I want these and he's having a group buy, about 20% off.
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Yeah, I'll end up w/ these eventually. The nice thing about these is that they're somewhat based off Bilsteins, so they're cheap to rebuild/revalve.
The only other real option for coilovers is $2k, and they'd work great for autox/roadracing, but doing anykind of rally would be impossible with them, they're always set really stiff. The guy's been testing the hotbits for quite a while and they work great roadracing as well as rally. So that's the only reason I"d not buy these. Bc I want something more roadracing oriented. I also like to buy all the little supporting mods before making a big purchase. Those are the only reasons I'm hesistant. I really need 17s, tires, UCAs, bushings, strut bars, a roll bar, toe elim., and a few other minor things I can't think of.
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